Wichita companies say no to PETA billboards

Wichita companies say no to PETA billboards


WICHITA - At least two Wichita billboard companies say they will not run billboards from an animal rights group that were prompted by the death of a local abortion provider.

"It's in poor taste considering the crisis that's going on in the community right now," said John Lay, president of George Lay Signs Inc.

"I don't see anything patently offensive about the ads, but the timing is just not appropriate."

The proposed billboards, designed by People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, urge people on both sides of the abortion debate to go vegetarian. One says, "Pro-Life? Go Vegetarian"; the other, "Pro-Choice? Choose Vegetarian."

Lindsay Rajt, campaign manager for PETA, said the billboards were prompted by the recent shooting death of physician George Tiller, who was killed Sunday at his church.

PETA officials contacted Wichita-area billboard companies earlier this week to inquire about availability and rates. So far none have accepted the ads, Rajt said.

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http://www.kansas.com/news/tiller/story/839346.html

That said, I'd also reject ads from other extremist groups too, but too often, companies like Clear Channel are very politically selective in what they run and don't run, which in my opinion, is the entire problem here.

They sounded so close to an RNC "TERRORISTS - BE AFRAID" ad it was disgusting - they just added "this has been a public service announcement from Clear Channel" at the end. I wonder who they paid off to get away with that.

But yeah, that's exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about.

But shame on PETA for using the shooting to advance their agenda in what they think is humor.

How anyone with a lick of sense doesn't consider them a bunch of raving loons I will never understand. "Meat is murder." Puh-leeze. Tell it to the wolves.

I donate to the ASPCA and animal rescue groups.

Actually, wolves are quite "humane" in their behavior. They care for their young. They mate for life (unlike humans). They exhibit phenomenal group loyalty and other cooperative behavior. They make self-sacrifices for the good of the pack and their young.

If we acted as benignly as wolves, the planet would be much better off.

But, back to your excuse for being a carnivore. Are you unable to decide to take a less savage approach to any behavior? Are you totally ruled by you instincts, devoid of any higher-level thought?

Seems that way.

The key point is that we humans should be able to decide to do something that goes against our immediate, personal interest. Your "reasoning" would say that you should be able to ignore all traffic laws because your need to get somewhere trumps anyone else's right to drive safely on the road.

Choose to be better than your baser self.

I rehabilitate primitive breed dogs--the ones only millimeters from being wolves. Lecturing me about wolves is a waste of energy.

You think you can make me feel guilty for eating what my body is designed to process? Think again. I may have to follow road rules (anyone who doesn't is a moron) but I don't have to follow some fucked up bunch of half-ass "meat as murder" clods over the edge of the dietary cliff. If meat is murder, than every omnivore and carnivore on the planet belongs in a cage.

I loathe PETA with the passion of a thousand suns.

1. Pour a can of lard down a carnivore's throat, every day for a year. They'll lap it up and ask for more, with (relatively) few health hazards.

2. Do the same to a great ape--for example, a human--every day for a year. Let me know how it works out, but be sure to check with your doctor before trying this experiment.

The fact is that we don't process animal fats in the same way that true carnivores do. Eat whatever you like, of course, but let's not get too far out of the realm of science when we discuss nutrition. :)

Never said we were. We're omnivores. So are dogs, as a matter of fact, though they range closer to carnivore than we do.

We probably should be nearly on the opposite spectrum as dogs, to be honest--we probably require about as much meat as they do vegetation. Relatively. Though my dogs would argue the point if it came down to their broccoli.

But that's one of the prevailing myths regarding meat on DU: "Humans are carnivores and NEED to eat red meat 3x per day to survive!" :eyes:

Humans certainly can eat meat, but it's not necessarily what our bodies were designed to eat. We can look to our closest genetic relatives (great apes) for a good indication of how much meat should be in our diets, and it does seem that anything over 5-10% isn't aligned with our teeth, jaw structure, and digestion.

I did once live with a dachshund who loved salad, though. :rofl: So all bets are off.

but there are things in meat we DO need. And unless I'm mistaken, many of the great apes supplement their diets with bugs--something we do NOT eat. Well, most of us. They're not our ancestors, they're a genetic dead-end parallel line, so any such comparison is, at best, tenuous.

We're certainly designed to be predators, and certainly designed to eat a certain amount of meat.

I've been a vegan for 20 years, and my doctor thinks I'm in sterling health (for a cube rat). I've known other vegans who have gone 40-50+ years without eating meat, yet are in fabulous health.

If there's something in meat that our bodies need, don't you think we'd have suffered from dramatic health problems by now? And if those problems only surface in a certain percentage of humans, why haven't we been able to find any sort of genetic markers that say "this person must eat meat" vs. "this person needs no meat?"

(I'm not trying to be contentious here, but I traveled down this road when I was trying to convince myself that despite my love for animals, it would simply be impossible for me to adopt a vegan diet, but the science just wasn't there to back up my fears.)

But we can certainly look at the digestive system of other great apes as a very close analogue of human digestion, when compared with true omnivores like dogs. So if you have a few beetles for breakfast now and then, you should be getting all the meat you need. :)

In any event, thanks for the friendly chat, Mythsaje.

whatever I want, whenever I want?

As for your "work" with dogs - train them for fighting, I suspect.

I have spent years working for canine rescue. Who the fuck do you think you are?

No one FIGHTS primitive breeds, you moron.

You make an accusation like that, you'd best be able to back it up.

So, do you think about fucking animals a lot?

Easy there, killer.

to behave in a primitive, savage manner. Well, at least some of us have that capacity.

That was the point of my example. Just because my body is designed to fuck (or eat animal flesh) does not mean I have to do that. My mind gives me the ability to decide not to. Just be honest and admit that you do not care about non-human animals unless they fulfill your needs.

And I am calling out your supposed concern for animals. Kind of like the hunters who want to preserve the wild for their killing sprees. With friends like that, animals do not need enemies.

Okay, there's another stupidity. We've reduced predator numbers to the point that without human intercession, what will kill off wildlife is disease and starvation. "Killing sprees." Jesus Christ. Yeah, there are definitely some dumb-fucks out there, but if you think the hunters are out there banging away at anything that moves like a school shooter going through Columbine High, you ARE out of your mind. It's not something I've ever done, or anything I'm likely to do, but let's have a little intellectual honesty here. The majority of hunters are not bloodthirsty savages.

What you're calling out is your self-congratulatory emotional masturbation. "I don't eat animals, therefore I've done more for animals than anyone else." I grew up on a small ranch and dealt with animals on a daily basis. I've worked in canine rescue for years. I support the ASPCA and the local Humane Society. I've rehabilitated and homed as many as twenty dogs that might well have been killed if not for my wife and me. We've rescued feral kittens on a number of occasions.

A week ago I held a dying cat (after spending a tidy sum trying to treat his diabetes) on my lap for six hours until he passed. And this was my wife's cat, a cat that never liked me much, or trusted me. And wept like a child.

Spare me the self-righteous bullshit. You people are a blight.

eating animals and your hatred of those who defend animal rights is that you are "designed" to eat meat. Right?

That position states clearly that there is no reason to go against your "nature" to be a meat-eater. Right?

Does that extend to other behaviors that you were designed for (like fucking)? Or is it just reserved for this special circumstance so you can fill your tummy with animal flesh?

Do you not have the capacity to choose not to succumb to your baser instincts? Are you captive to your nature in everything?

I fully expect you to come back with another non-answer (when did I say "I don't eat animals, therefore I've done more for animals than anyone else."?).

Oh, and fuck you and "you people."

It's not a question of either not eating meat or becoming a skull-sucking, anything-fucking savage. We're designed to be predators, and to eat a certain amount of meat, and I don't have a problem with that. If you do, don't eat meat. But don't expect me or anyone like me to play up to your alleged superiority, nor should you expect us to buy into your fallacious argument that there's no difference between eating meat and being a blood-soaked monster one step away from engaging in wholesale cannibalism.

Answer your question? Huh. Well, maybe if your question was worthy of more than a glob of spittle, I'd consider it. But otherwise you're just jerking off into your moral pretensions and I'm not interesting in playing into that.

"Are you totally ruled by your instincts, devoid of any higher-level thought?" They use that against gay people all the time.

"Choose to be better than your baser self." Just a re-hashing of the above line of thought.


How about this: You've chosen a path that works for you, keep to it, nobody will bother you, but don't start attacking other people for their diets.

Although, I will admit it's a new angle in the various ways omnivores will twist themselves into knots trying to justify their diet (which, despite their claims otherwise, actually does affect others).

Because man oh man are you stretching here. :)

These arguments are common to any belief system which regards some actions as more "karmic," "sinful," or "meritorious" than others. Any gay-bashing is purely inferred on your part.*

* = I can't know the mind or intentions of the poster, of course, but the implication wasn't there in the written text.