Cairo: it's not sexuality that's offensive, it's pandering to reactionary cultures

Whether it's the Taliban in Afghanistan, Saudi, or our own here at home encouraging 'modesty'.

Civil rights, y'all. Pretence of liberalism cloaking opposition to a religion ?

To the source of that statement, fuck you. Let them wear a burkah, be required to be sexually penetrated whenever some selected 'partner' wants to, not leave the home without a chaperone, and be prevented from being educated or otherwise becoming functioning human beings. Oh yeah, and have their glans removed as an analog to female circumcision.

Again, whoever came up with that part of the speech: fuck you, you pathetic candyassed apologist for false 'diversity' as a figleaf covering acceptance and buy-in to abusive socioeconomic status quos. Like the warm reek of your tribe as you organize yourslaves to maximize your subsistence survival odds ? It's about evolutionary advantage, and you're advocating for cultures or at least cultural habits that are on the losing end of that equation. At the cost of wasted lives of 50% of their local population. Please lard it up with slop about the earth mysteries of the female or being open to other cultures so I have more opportunity to describe how pathetically inadequate you are and how you certainly don't belong anywhere near the political system.

Otherwise the speech was pretty good.

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forget the fact the many Christian sects have their women issues as well...how do we address liberal and moderate Muslims on those issues?

Would he be wrong? Would people think that he's dictacting to the world how to live their lives? I think so. He made such important points about womans issues (equality, education, etc.). I really have to wonder how genuine this criticism is. I think it's meant to stir things up.

Many women LIKE to wear burkahs - but I don;t think he said burkah - he referred to the head scarf, the name of which I cannot remember right now.

just fine within the framework of their worldview.

And the Prez gave them a BIG boost saying that they (we) deserve equal educational opportunities. By doing that, all the rest will flow from it. No, not on our time, their time.

"Female circumcision" is an African custom, not a muslim custom. And the Naziesque appeal to racial Darwinism was a nice touch.

I'm glad Obama's the president, and that you ain't.

...in many parts of the Islamist world (this includes Africa for those not paying attention).

Fortunately Egypt recently banned it and in due time other countries should follow.

troll, FGM is intimately bound to Muslim culture in N. Africa. Save your world culture crap for people as ignorant as you.

He was talking in CAIRO. In case you're unaware, that's in AFRICA. Female genital mutilation is common in Egypt.

The address was directed to the "muslim world" as was the OP's delusional rant.

and since we're getting into ad hominems ("delusional rant") you're in danger of appearing to be a sap based on this most recent posting of yours. I could go into detail.

The practice has only been illegal since 2007, so cultural standards demanding it have not changed much in that short time. 95% of Egyptian women have been mutilated. And your assertion that this is an African, but not a Muslim practice is quite ignorant as Islam is used as the justification for the practice and for the gender inequality that allows such practices to continue.

If we're going to orbit our navels about whether it's nice to say that some cultures and societies are more effective, i.e. more likely to survive, over the long term, than others, then we should really just admit what candyassed pantywaists we are and go home.

An example: the current dominant (dominance ?) culture in the US is on the way to its own extinction. Due to an obsession with short-term gain and accumulation and an abandonment of perspective over long-term viability and the need for acquisition and application of skills and perception in order to attain that.

Another example: Muslims who make their women wear bags over their heads and function as breeding slaves for ignorant males who don't deserve the elevated power status their culture gives them, while insisting that the only education their public can receive is repetition of the contents of a 1300-year old book of aphorisms.

Examples of more viable (i.e. advanced) cultures are the egalitarian societies of northern Europe, where said egalitarianism and social liberalism is not just a fashion practiced by those with the economic latitude for hobbies, but rather understood to be the foundation of a just and functional society. Those who practice those values are not oriented to focusing on their opposites, the belief that aggregation of material is what ensures success. Free individuals vs. tribal collectivism.

Just to reassure you that I'm not a white supremacist in disguise, educate yourself about the state of Kerala as a random example taken from the "of color" world, where a state that originated in a matrilineal, but not matriarchal, culture has adopted the best principles of Communism and now has an educated, remarkable free populace in a nation that otherwise is largely a bastion of sociocultural reaction, backwardness and nonviability.

But you will get a lot of flack from DU folks.

I like to go after Christian mistreatment of women also, it generates much more agreement and far less controversy around here.

But these patriarchal religions are simply set up to make women's lives nothing, hatred of the feminine is the most sacred thing on planet earth, except for maybe male sperm, male oriented death worshiping religion is all about not wasting any of THAT.

I am always glad when someone has the guts around here to tell the truth about the religions democrats are forbidden by unspoken custom to criticize. :applause:

I never read or listen to politicians speeches so I have no clue what you are talking about.

Edited for speling.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/04/us/politics/04obama.text.html?_r=1