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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:40 PM
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In the interest of combating terrorism should Free Republic be disbanded
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:44 PM
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1. Well, at least a visit by the FBI with a search warrant that means
taking all of FR's servers in for forensic examination.

I wonder if Robinson has a doomsday plan for his servers. Wouldn't surprise me. They aren't on site where he lives, but a script could exist that would wipe the servers.

If things keep going as they are, we shall soon see...
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:46 PM
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2. The FBI could also get all the user IP addresses and from there start to track down names
getting a pretty good terrorist watch list going.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:49 PM
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5. I imagine they already have all that.
There have been several instances of Freepers doing evil. Fake anthrax mailings, and the like. I'm sure the FBI has it all. I remember one time, when one of those things happened, FR went down for a couple of days. Just about enough time for the FBI to clone the server's drives.

Jim Robinson used to claim that he'd never reveal user information. I don't believe he makes that claim any longer. I'm pretty sure he's been co-opted, just like the NRA and other such organizations.

The lists are made.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:46 PM
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3. How about we just send them to Gitmo and Waterboard them
And honestly, I would never suggest that of anyone but hell these are the cheerleaders for waterboarding terrorists in Gitmo.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:49 PM
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4. That would be consistent with the golden rule
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:50 PM
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6. It's a good place to start
Though it will drive these guys further underground.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:55 PM
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8. Nah...they don't go too far underground. They think their
ideas are like manna and need to be shared. Somehow, somewhere, they just have to spew their bile in public. It's their great failing.
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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:00 PM
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18. "MAAAAAAAAAA...we're gonna need a deeper basement!"
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Lone_Star_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:53 PM
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7. No way!
It's too valuable a resource to the FBI for it to be closed down.

They can sit there and gather them up one by one. Like catching fish in a barrel!
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:56 PM
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9. Indeed. I have no doubt that Free Republic was coopted
by the FBI a long time ago. Stormfront, too, perhaps. Funny what the threat of a prison term will do to someone's convictions. Very funny, that...
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votingupstart Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:57 PM
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10. IMO - no - by giving up liberty for security we will get neither nt
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM
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15. Have you read all the threads and suggestions of violence?
liberty does not include the right to violence or terrorism.
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votingupstart Donating Member (535 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:45 PM
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35. you are absolutely correct - NO one has a right to commit terrorism
i assure you may post is not meant to say violence/terrorism is in any way acceptable. the point i am trying to make is that when we make laws that overly restrict the freedoms of citizens for security, we are setting ourselves up for failure because those criminals/terrorists etc, who commit violence/terrorism have no care for the laws anyway.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:57 PM
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11. Why not? The wingers wanted to shut down Craig's list
because some freak used it to meet victims.
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C_U_L8R Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM
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12. Nah... it makes for an excellent flycatcher
Edited on Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM by C_U_L8R
just like a big irresistible pile of rightwing poo
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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM
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13. Absolutely not.
If they want to shut down voluntarily, that would be fine by me.
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM
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14. The FBI needs to go through their records
Post by post.
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Joe the Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:58 PM
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16. Sounds like a good idea but......
If you disband FR all the nut jobs on there would just scatter to other hate websites or just start a new one. It's best to keep them isolated and in one spot, it makes it easier to keep track of those psychos.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:15 PM
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24. Their members have already launched two terror attacks
so how has keeping track of them helped?
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:21 PM
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32. In order to prosecute based on hate crimes
You must provide evidence of prior hateful statements and showing online postings helps with that. And 2 out of how many registered members? Also the fact that it's been around has helped spot who the extremist are such as this example. http://archive.salon.com/politics/red/2001/02/09/blue/index.htmlx
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Lisa0825 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 02:59 PM
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17. No. nt
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:02 PM
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19. NO!!! Let these extremist out themselves
If we ban it or other similar sites it will be difficult to tell who the extremists are! Let them out themselves with these hate filled posts.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:10 PM
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20. We have had 2 terror attacks from their members
so i am not sure how the outing is helping.
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JonLP24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:12 PM
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22. Fine disagree
But in interest of knowing who the extremist are let them out themselves. They'll be easier to spot, shutting down all sites will just make them harder to spot.
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dem629 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:12 PM
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21. No. I wouldn't let those people be the starting point of trashing the First Amendment.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:17 PM
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27. They wouldn't be the starting point
The KKK was shut down through lawsuits. Terror groups are not covered by the First Amendment
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Spike89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:30 PM
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33. Wrong
The first ammendment applies to everyone. It doesn't apply to some forms of speech, but that is vastly different than saying some groups are not covered.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:15 PM
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23. So basically you want us to be the flip side
of the wingers, who wanted to shut down liberty in the name of safety after 9/11?

Well fuck that. Even dumbasses have rights to free expression.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:16 PM
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26. How many terror attacks does one website have to launch?
Their members are responsible for two already, how many is the cut off?
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:18 PM
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30. That is the *exact* logic Freepers use to argue for laws aimed at Islam/Muslims. n/t
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:20 PM
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31. If an Islamic website posts open threats and implied threats of violence
I would shut them down as well.
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:38 AM
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43. Then you're in the wrong country. nt
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Codeine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:37 AM
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42. Their website hasn't launched shit.
If some stupid-ass DUer does something asinine Skinner and Co aren't responsible and the government would have no place shutting this site down. The Constitution affords Freeptards the right to be jackasses all day long.

If you don't like that, perhaps you actually belong there.
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keroro gunsou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:45 PM
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40. a wise man once said:
"it is every american's inalienable right to make an ass of ones self. please don't abuse the privilege. gentlemen." - charles emerson winchester^3
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:16 PM
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25. YES!
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:17 PM
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28. Jebus...its a dumb/dangerous idea to resort to censorship whether a Republican or a Democrat
is in the White House.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:18 PM
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29. Is this CensorU Wednesday or what?
:crazy:
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:18 PM
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36. I'm beginning to think so
:eyes:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:39 PM
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37. When you have no problem calling other posters trolls, fascists, out of the mainstream
or "un-American" as you once called me, maybe you shouldn't be surprised when people question your approach to improving the discourse on DU.
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NJmaverick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:44 PM
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39. Wow just one post and you managed to break 6 rules of DU
Edited on Wed Jun-10-09 05:00 PM by NJmaverick
including slander and continuing fights and lacking civility. I guess that's why you favor mob rule, as part of the mob you figure you are above the rules.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:56 PM
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41. Six seems to be your favorite number today.
And I have no idea what you mean about our mods.

:)
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 03:38 PM
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34. Unless there is actual evidence
that their website has been used to organize and facilitate violence, then no.

But much of the daily rhetoric there skirts a fine line between meaningless bluster and calls for violence against those they disagree with.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 04:39 PM
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38. No. Not at all. nt
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:50 AM
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44. why do people here even give a shit about that site...?
i just don't get it.
it's the same as the people who go all ape-shit about something they saw on the faux news channel- why do people even watch that shit in the first place? :shrug:
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:58 AM
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45. To paraphrase an old cliche...
It's better to prove you are a terrorist with your words, than to be suspected of being one.
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armyowalgreens Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:12 AM
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46. No. I'm starting to question just how much a lot of you care about rights
Because you sure do like talking about taking them away from the right. I see the double standard.
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