I officially ACCUSE FreeRepublic, Glen Beck, O'reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Scarborough, Rove

of conspiracy to encourage and directly foment terrorist acts.

I encourage any who agree to notify the department of Homeland Security.



there are others, of course, but all of those have directly been involved in white supremacist homegrown terrorism.

you of being slightly imbalanced.

most of us at one point or another have been slightly imbalanced. :shrug:

I just cringe when I see conspiracy theories being cut out of whole cloth.

:rofl: :P

Dude, we need to have a cup of Joe...

Been real distracted lately.

Just lemme know when you have time :)

trying to defend von Brunn. It's quite noticeable.

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My father, who forebears listening to Limbaugh every day told me tonight that Rush is using some buzzwords that sound like calls for the assassination. Limbaugh saying repeatedly that Obama must be stopped at all cost or he is going to destroy the nation. What does Limbaugh mean, at all cost? I mean, we're three years away from an election, aren't we?

I'm going to listen tomorrow, but considering we all have seen an assassination in the last ten days, apparently called by those like Bill O'Reily and Operation Rescue, Rush is really getting irresponsible at the very least, or perhaps even worse.

Never thought I would come to the defense of Limbaugh but uh no he isnt. Mentally imbalanced people are going to hear what they want to hear and allow it to fit their warped worldview. Accountability for these disgusting actions lie at the feet of the attackers. Millions of people (for reasons I dont understand) listen to these hate filled talkers and never commit crimes. One or two do and now it is Limbaugh's fault. Blame the assassins please.

he knows what he's doing, and who he's talking to.

Rush Limbaugh is the warmest, most wonderful human being I have ever met.

the assassination of Clinton, not just Bill but Hillary as well. "They should be shot in the park where they killed Vince Foster".

On several occasions, the RW spin machine has gone out of it's way to allude to the harm of president Obama as well, "he should watch his back", "the SS can't be all knowing", and a few other rather disturbing utterances.

They always use the same old saw, "The First Amendment, Free Speech", "I'm an entertainer"...it is not all hyperbole. There are people out there that actually believe they will be seen as heroes and martyrs...just as Booth perceived himself back in 1865. Booth was wrong, and doomed the South to decades of retribution under Reconstruction. I want to hear these people stand up and say, honestly and with conviction, that murder is NOT the way to get things done. The RW pundits are cowards, always have been, always will be. If there was humanity in their shriveled souls, the would decry violence, but they are inhuman, and have proven it time after time.

Just when I think that hunk of lard couldn't find any more new lines to cross..

I thought then, "He's going to prison for that one"...nothing. Later in the week, he claimed "entertainer" status. If calling for the assassination of a president is entertainment...I want to be the least entertained person in the world.

I have little faith in the Department of Homeland Security but I would like to see KO and Rachel carry the flag on this one and call those sited for what they are: full blown homeland terrorists. imho

It is actually ILLEGAL! Why the fuck do they let these assholes get away with it?

as defined by the Supreme Court

I guess then you want to be sarcastic and dismiss other laws decided by the supreme court. Roe vs. Wade? Brown vs. the Board of Education? But I guess those are just silly things decided by the supreme court as well, right?

"Although we may never know with complete certainty the identity of the winner of this year's Presidential election, the identity of the loser is perfectly clear. It is the Nation's confidence in the judge as an impartial guardian of the rule of law."

---Justice John Paul Stevens, dissenting opinion Bush v Gore, December 2000

to spew their hatred too. :puke:

They good probably use a good laugh.

add to that, the GOP.

certain members of the right-wing base of the Republican Party promised that this would be WWIII. I believe that the recent spate of domestic terrorism, including today's shooting at the Holocaust Museum, is being energized by this atmosphere. Even if many are acting as "lone wolves", they can certainly be influenced by the mass media.

These people always existed but with the daily barrage of Fox News and talk radio they now have power. They feel there are many others like them. Fox News is a terrorist organization.

it was like reading off a list of Hannity and Rush's talking points.

I have to agree. Even my "born-again" nurse/sister would deny universal health care to the rest of U.S. because we're just "going to smoke, eat and drink" ourselves to death anyway, so "good riddance".

And, all that, after she told me that twenty years in DC made me hard and angry. I have no words.

to tell them that you feel threatened by viewpoints that differ from yours.

Maybe you could call 911??? People do when they don't get their mcnuggets and this sounds os much more important!

that those he mentioned do rachet up the ire in this country. I'm not sure the DOHS is the way to go, but they are definitely inciting their 'congregations'.

believe what they are saying, but they are in show business. They are playing a part, like pro wrestlers. So it is hard to tell which one is a true believer, and who is just a mercenary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpzeI8sgIHU

One woman said they (the teabaggers) were out there protesting because of Glen Beck. Yeah, grassroots protest my ass; Beck was promoting and this woman said as much. Another woman talked about liberals in boiling water - that was what her teabag state of mind was, dead liberals.
Neither of the women in the video could string together any logical answers to the questions asked of them, but their grasping for rationale was most telling.

Hate radio/hate TV getting them out 'taking action' even though they couldn't define the action they were taking. Yeah, hate pundits trying to get some 'lone wolves' to take more action. Have seen it before and figure it's gonna be a bad summer.

The point of it all? Powers that want the status quo exploiting the simple minded racists and wing nuts to ramp up because it diverts attention and energy from the steps toward real change.

The damned fool kool aid drinkers being used again and they STILL don't get it. Pathetic.

I'm not sure about contacting the DHS, however, it's time for encouraging substantial mainstream media discussion about ratcheting down the hyperbolic BS being spewed on radio and TV from extreme right talk show hosts, their guests and even some members of the US congress such as Michelle Bachman.

It's naive to think that some of what they say isn't meant to incite violence, even assassination, while giving them plausible deny ability. It's out of control. It's not a matter of disagreeing with what they say, as some have suggested above. It's a matter of degree and intent. I've spent too much time around right wingers and red-necks to miss what is going on here. They use to be more subtle and spoke in code. They are not even trying to hide it anymore. You have to be either willfully ignorant or blind, deaf and dumb not to have figured out what is going on here. It's pretty frightening and they are reaping the fruits of their labor.

This is not a free speech issue. This is a struggle for the soul of this country. It's headed down a very dark and gloomy path and there is nothing wrong with pointing that out.

with intolerance of those who have different viewpoints.

Both sides of the political spectrum have their haters and fringe groups but some how we tend to overlook ours.

The left has not used violence for political ends in this country since the early 1970's. The story of political violence in the US for the past 30 years has been almost wholly one of the rise of right-wing extremism.

I'm going to point out the Unabomber's reign of terror wen't from the early '80s to the early '90s.

Other than him, I can't think of another incidence of domestic terrorism that wasn't caused by the radical right. When Sarah Palin started harping about Bill Ayers and Obama "palling around with terrorists", I thought to myself, "Self, this is a classic example of trying to make a personal weakness into a strength."

Read his manifesto. He thought liberals played the victim by supporting causes like equal rights for African-Americans.

The media has done a very bad job in educating the public on Kaczynski's politics, mainly because, unlike most political terrorists, he is also clinically insane. There can be no doubt that Theodore Kaczynski is and was an avowed right-winger.

If you read the Manifesto, you'll find that it is an ANTI-leftist screed. Read paragraphs 10 to 32.

http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

Take paragraph 14, for example:

Words like "self-confidence," "self-reliance," "initiative", "enterprise," "optimism," etc. play little role in the liberal and leftist vocabulary. The leftist is anti-individualistic, pro-collectivist. He wants society to solve everyone's needs for them, take care of them. He is not the sort of person who has an inner sense of confidence in his own ability to solve his own problems and satisfy his own needs. The leftist is antagonistic to the concept of competition because, deep inside, he feels like a loser.

That's just one paragraph: he goes on at length about "political correctness" and the supposed psychological failings of the left. One of the things I do is to study political ideology. In a technical sense, Kaczynski would be best described as a radical right-wing anarchist, though he's also obviously clinically insane (even though he may not meet the legal definition of insanity, which is a very hard standard to reach).

number of haters on their side.

Ask the Southern Poverty Law Center - they track ALL hate groups, not just the racist right. Check their listings for approximate numbers of follower in the RW hate groups vs the LW hate groups.

There is NO equivalency. The fact that there are polar opposite points of view does not mean there are equal numbers supporting those polar opposite points of view.

EDIT: and BTW, in case it was not a typo, the word is 'fraught' - one of my favoritist words, it sounds like what it says, perhaps because of subconscious connection with 'ought' and 'caution'.

knr

nuts out to do violence and quite a few of them ended up in front of the White House!

fear Republican fundamentalists?

All it takes is a couple of left-wing nutbags to kill a couple of notable conservatives and then DU, Olbermann, Maddow etc. will be similarly ACCUSED. Let's not go down that path. It is the murderers who are responsible for these murders. The rest is talk--protected speech, actually. Unless O'Reilly came out and said "I want someone to kill Tiller," there is no legal case to be made against him.

I just don't relish the though of our government arresting people for their opinions, however stupid they may be. I was against it before, and I'm against it now. It's called logical consistency.

Rational and sensible thoughts are *not* welcome in this thread. Mods, take note.

Lets all get hysterical and employ a Patriot Act against domestic terrorists who listen to Glenn Beck, Elisabeth Hasslebeck should be tried for accessory to murder, and while we're at it I think we should jail Limbaugh for his assassination squads. Wow, the hypocritical bullshit going on right now is staggering. When Bush employed the Patriot Act we were up in arms, and rightfully so. But now when it is right wing terror we all want to jail Scarborough for crimes against the state. Fucking amazing.

Total publicity whore, who has gotten increasingly unstable, to the point of starting fistfights at local meetings and filing a Supreme Court challenge to Obama's right to run, saying that Obama is "not a US citizen"

Even though our party has disavowed and disowned him (to the point of putting out flyers telling people he's *NOT* a Democrat) - I could just see if he did something nutty - if he shot someone, for instance - the MSM would quickly note that the guy calls himself a Democrat, and would try to tar the whole party with him.

Do I think O'Reilly and company incite these idiots? Yes.
Do I think there's anything the court system can do? No.

But we could certainl try these hate-mongers in the court of public opinion. Shame it's not]/i] a liberal media....

If he was standing in a room full of angry men with guns, saying "he should DIE" - that would be incitement, without a doubt.

The fact that he is in a soundbooth and the angry men with guns are thousands of miles away does not change the dynamic.

He was not saying "he needs to be in prison - charged with the murder of thousands". He was saying EXACTLY what the more unbalanced heard him saying.

It WAS incitement.

BTW, when the FUCK has Olberman, Maddow, or ANYONE ELSE on the left of the spectrum called for the murder of our opponants?

Show me where O'Reilly said that, and I'll agree with the OP.

There are nuts everywhere, not jut on the right.

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There is no 24/7 broadcast cycle for the left of center viewpoint. Without the net, Jon Stewart, and MSNBC, the American left would practically be invisible.

It took 8 years and a trail of bodies from New York to Islamabad to get Bush II out of office because of how effective the right is at dominating the media.

We're in an era of televised, institutionalized, supercharged rhetoric from the right, from Sarah "pallin' around with terrorists" to Limbaugh and "Barack the Magic Negro." To pretend there's equivalency from the left at anywhere near that scale is a joke.

As in, massive emailings, letters, etc. to the FCC and the networks.

The two extremes of calling for arrests or of doing nothing say to me that there is a need for action, but that it must be reasoned.

If it were all "just talk" with no real effect, then someone better tell Madison Avenue (i.e. the advertising industry), that they've been wasting their research, time and money.

The right has a well defined sector of the media through FOX News, talk radio and some publications. The rest of the media is a mix bag, but is usually center to left.

Palin was eviscerated by the MSM. Some of it was well deserved, but there was a lot of sexism involved too. The media also went after Hillary and mostly fawned over Obama, too many "tingling legs" during the primary. There have been studies done on this. Obama is also getting far more favorable media than Bush and Clinton got during their 100 first days. Either they are enthralled with Obama, the historical aspects of his presidency or maybe because they don't dare to criticize too strongly the first biracial president. Even the comedians are staying away from lampooning him and continue their old tired retread jokes on the Clintons and Bush.

So no, I don't think that the right is dominating the MSM.

the right has EVERYONE ELSE? You never catch 'Morning Joe'?

Then there is CNN, trying to be the new Fox.

Rupert Murdoch controls 50% of the newspapers in the country - and Scaife more than a handful more - what 'left wing' daily papers are there?

You CANNOT support the RW meme that the media leans left - there is NO proof of it. Who is getting all the air time - Democratic spokespersons, as the new president rolls out his plans for the next term? Huh uh - it's always the RW commentators, the republicans that are asked to comment. OK, that's because they are the opposition - but who did we hear from while Bush was President? Did we get 75/25 Democrats, commenting on the Republican administration? No, we had the SAME RW pundits and Republican commentators that we have today.

Care to explain that?

What are the Arbitron/Neilsen numbers for hosts calling out specific recruiters as "baby killers"? More of our Soldiers were killed by their own in that center in Iraq than the number of recruiters in the last 5 years.

This man is sick with hatred, but he would have been so whether he posted at the Freepers' and listened to RW talk radio or not.

I may not agree with most of what is being said on the RW air waves, but I strongly oppose limits on freedom of expression.

or at least turn off the radio/tv now and then

Of course you're right, such national media personalities (NMPs) saying that people (Obama/Tiller/etc.) are ruining our country/more dangerous than the Taliban/murdering babies/etc. Why are they (the NMPs) surprised that someone with hateful/racist tendencies and a violent disposition would think that they (NMPs) would rejoice that some "patriot" has taken action?

They use the excuse of "I did't tell X (insert name of latest assassin) to go out and kill Y (insert names of latest victims)." That is as plausible as saying you didn't specifically tell 20 folks to trample an old lady when you yelled "Fire!" in a crowded theater. Content and context matter in public discourse, particularly when you have access to such large and loyal audiences.

even if they cloak it in "entertainment" nonsense. Limbaugh and Coulter have called the killing of liberals. Wait, Limbaugh said to leave a couple so they can be reminded of what libruls are like.

These are the chest thumpers. There have to be other incidents of them calling for violence, even cloaked in entertainment.

I watch his shows most mornings. I haven't noticed him being in the same category as the others listed.
He's a conservative for sure, but pretty mild IMO. DO you know of a quote or something I missed?

I thought he was the guy associated with previous doctor killers.

I think what you mean is "call DHS right fucking now!"

Reminds me of the Dreyfus Affair and
Emile Zola.

:patriot:

And they really don't need these assholes to give them ideas. They come up with enough shit on their own.

However, what the right-wing media does these days is to validate the far-out beliefs and violent fantasies that the nutcases have. In the old days, the media were the middle-of-the-road folks who provided some kind of reality check. Now, they've joined the other side. They take a plain, garden-variety crazy and convince him that not only is he right, but that if he doesn't act -- and act quickly -- the world is going to end tomorrow.

Just the other day, I was listening to a guy rant about how Obama was born in Kenya and Indonesia specifically to come here and turn us into a Muslim fascist dictatorship. In the old days, he would just have been a nut at the end of the bar who everyone laughed at. Now, he has three 24-hour channels who will get him whipped up into a frenzy and convince him that he's right.

Said I needed to show proof. I'm sorry yet another crackpot murderer had to prove me right.

K & R

They are the real terrorists.

I appreciate a good protest but what these people are advocating is violence and that's WRONG!

They are the real terrorists.

I appreciate a good protest but what these people are advocating is violence and that's WRONG!

It is disingenious for these blowhards to excuse themselves by saying "Who knew that some nutjob would actually KILL someone?" That's their audience: nutjobs. If either of these two recent murders had been committed by a mideastern national who didn't agree with the politics of the victims, we'd be calling it terrorism, and anyone who encouraged them or praised them would be condemned as well. Because the crime has been committed by an American who didn't agree with the politics of the victims, it's a lone nut who acted alone. BTW, how did the Holocast Museum shooter get a gun? Wasn't he a felon with a record of violence?

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, citizens of both Left and Right are robbed of trillions by corporations. Don't forget the Distraction effect here, whether intended as such or not...

All one has to do is to rerack the video from the McCain-Palin rallies to see exactly who the real terrorists are in this country. Remember the calls to "kill him"? This stuff isn't anything new... and from the looks of it, nobody really cares because none of their family members is sitting in a morgue behind some nutjob shooting people who won't agree with them.

I have listened enough to Limbaugh, Hannity, O'Liely, Savage (only radio station that is clear in the car) and I can tell you they are after blood because they no longer have control that they had for over 4 decades.

They are inciting to kill by their words to get those who are so brained washed to do the deeds for them while they laugh behind the scenes. My opinion of course.

of the posts are trashing me or the idea that inciting to violence is an intentional crime.

thanks for all the recs and the posts, folks!

and don't kid yourselves, These people KNOW EXACTLY what they are doing by whipping up the nutjobs.