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Brigid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 05:24 PM
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Dear Anti-Choicers:
Edited on Wed Jun-10-09 05:27 PM by Brigid
I hope you're happy now. Through bullying, intimidation, and outright murder, you've gotten your way. Dr. Tiller is dead, and his clinic will not reopen. You think you've won a major victory in your struggle against abortion. All you've really done is alienate moderates like myself. You can't seriously think we're fooled when you piously fold your hands and call his murder a "tragedy." Yeah, right. Like you really believe that. I used to think that those who called you "terrorists" were exaggerating. No more. Those people were just ahead of me, that's all. You are nothing but an American version of the Taliban. What is it about women making their own choices about their lives that scares you so much? All you have done is endanger the lives of women who may need late-term pregnancies for health or other reasons. The next time a woman dies because she needed this kind of medical care and couldn't get it, you have her blood on her hands. Is that really what you want? I don't know -- maybe it is. You certainly don't seem to care what happens to her.

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-06-09-abortion_clinic_closing_N.htm



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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 06:49 PM
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1. You paint anti-choicers with a broad brush.
n/t
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 06:55 PM
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4. You speak as if there are GOOD anti-choicers. A most odd allegation. Please elaborate. -nt
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:09 PM
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11. I don't believe in abortion, unless the mother's life is at risk.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 10:10 PM by Th1onein
I don't believe in capital punishment, either. Or in war. For all of the same reasons. I believe that these values are consistent with how I feel about the sanctity of life.

I think that if you are going to legislate against murderer, you should legislate against abortion, except, as I said previously, when the mother's life is at risk.

However, I believe in a woman's right to use birth control, too. I think that they are two different issues.

Oh, and by the way, I am not religious in ANY way. I'm not even sure I believe in God, so that has nothing to do with these issues.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 07:02 PM
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5. Deservedly so. OP is right. Blood on their hands.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:15 PM
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13. No, not deservedly so.
I am not responsible for the idiot who murdered Dr. Tiller, just because I am against abortion. One does not necessarily follow the other.

There are many liberals who are anti-choice. When you paint them all with the same wide brush, you deal your own cause a blow.
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Fire_Medic_Dave Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:03 PM
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20. It is amazing how intolerant some liberals can be.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 11:03 PM by Fire_Medic_Dave
You and I disagree about much but you have every right to your opinion without someone saying you have blood on your hands. Sorry about your son.

David
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:27 PM
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21. It's a shame.
I am sad to see it.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:05 AM
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8. and?
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:12 PM
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12. And it is illogical to do so.
Not everyone who is anti-abortion/anti-choice, is FOR killing someone who performs late term abortions.
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Dramarama Donating Member (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:18 PM
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14. Truth.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:38 PM
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17. What you write is true, I see the OP as a rant against those who are.
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 06:51 PM
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2. They are forced birthers
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 06:54 PM
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3. they did not win. I heard another doctor is taking over for Dr. Tiller
Yeaaaay!!!! Good man, I'm very proud, bet his mother is too!!!:applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:
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greenbriar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 07:05 PM
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6. read here
http://www.kansas.com/news/breaking/story/847088.html



OMAHA, Neb. - A Nebraska doctor says he'll perform third-term abortions in Kansas after the slaying of abortion provider George Tiller, even though Tiller's clinic is closed.

Dr. LeRoy Carhart declined to discuss details with The Associated Press on Wednesday, a day after Tiller's family announced his Wichita clinic was permanently shutting its doors.

Carhart isn't saying whether his plans include opening a new facility or offering the abortions at an existing practice. He says such details are "something that doesn't need to be talked about" until everything is in place.

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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-10-09 11:48 PM
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7. .
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:05 AM
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9. k&r
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Just Saying Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 12:16 AM
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10. The forced-birthers refuse to deal with the reality of what Dr. Tiller was doing.
The article in the OP says
In Kansas, where Tiller practiced, late-term abortions are allowed only on fetuses that would not be viable outside the womb and only if two doctors agree the woman would otherwise suffer irreparable harm.


What that means is that Dr. Tiller was dealing with women who wanted their babies in the majority of cases. Women who were going thru probably the worst experience of their lives. Yet some religious zealots feel they have the right to attack and judge them?!? And worse still to call Dr. Tiller a killer and stir up the fanatics until one of them finally succeeded in killing a good and decent man who gave woman some measure of peace in the middle of their private hell.

:cry:
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:19 PM
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15. I am an anti-choicer, yet I think that, for the most part, Dr. Tiller was doing good work.
I did not know the man, so I can't say whether he was a humanitarian or not. I do know, from what I have read about his work, that he helped women who were going to deliver babies who could not have lived outside of the womb anyway. Or, he helped women who would die if they delivered their babies. In my opinion, he saved lives, through his work. However, whether he saved lives, or took them, is not the issue in his murder. The issue, in his murder, is murder. Period.
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Just Saying Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:01 AM
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22. I don't agree.
His murder was a terrorist act that ended decades of intimidation, threats and even an attempt on his life. Not only were those outside his clinic intimidating him, but also the women who desperately needed his help. They are part of this murder. What he did cannot be seperated from the act - whatever you think of abortion. This doctor was providing LEGAL HEALTHCARE to women and was gunned down as a direct result of these people who believe that they know better than the law, doctors and women.
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MountainLaurel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:25 PM
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16. Thank you, and welcome to DU
A friend of mine could have been one of Dr. Tiller's patients. As she was approaching full term, she and her husband discovered that the fetus had a malformation that meant she would die as soon as the umbilical cord was cut. (It hadn't been discovered earlier because they had no health insurance, and thus no money for ultrasounds that would have detected it prior to the final trimester). My friend was sent to the children's medical center, where she was in labor for two days before the "expert" she had been sent to would do a C-section (remember, no insurance).

For women who find out at 6 or 7 months that their fetus is not viable is probably worse: Imagine having to deal with every person congratulating you, asking you about the baby, when you know the child you carry is either already dead or will be soon after birth? How do you explain to older children that there's not going to be a sibling when mommy goes to the hospital? Sometimes, a late-term abortion is the only humane option for all concerned.
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Th1onein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:54 PM
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19. It's heartbreaking what those women go through.
I did read where one, though, who had a late term abortion had a child with, I think, Turner's Syndrome. The doctors told her it would be best to abort because her child would need sex hormones all of her life, and not be able to bear children, herself. I think THAT was a shame, to abort that baby. She could have lived a fairly normal life.

My son was born with cystic fibrosis and I know, for a fact, that even with that horrible disease, he was glad to have lived as long as he did. I don't think that we have the right to take life, in those kinds of circumstances, even with a "defective" baby. I know that I'm very happy that he was here for as long as he was. And I am honored to have been his mother, no matter how painful that turned out to be.
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Just Saying Donating Member (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:10 AM
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23. I'm sorry about your friend.
I was lucky with my pregnancies so I can only imagine what she went thru.

Besides the awful situation of carrying a dead or dying baby to "term" which must affect a woman's mental health, there is also the fact that this can be damaging to the mother's physical health.

Things are just not simple which is why these situations should be left to the woman and her doctor. It's SHAMEFUL that women with terminal babies have to travel out of state to clinics under seige to get relief. I hope that this horrible terrorist act wakes up more Americans to the reality of "late term" abortions.
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gratuitous Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:43 PM
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18. +1
Nobody should be fooled by the crocodile tears from the anti-woman crowd. Someone once said that you could judge a tree by its fruit, and these are some poisoned people.
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