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NJGeek

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:09 PM
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Domestic Terrorism Defined

From wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_terrorism_in_the_United_States#Definitions_of_domestic_terrorism

Under current United States law, set forth in the USA PATRIOT Act, acts of domestic terrorism are those which: "(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State; (B) appear to be intended— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States."

Any lawyers out there? How close are we?

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rgbecker

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:12 PM
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1. BINGO!

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The Straight Story

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:12 PM
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2. They need to change (B)(i) to read:

(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian or government population;

Then we can start nailing the wall street bankers and such :)

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ManiacJoe

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:26 PM
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5. Would that not be covered by B(ii) ?

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The Straight Story

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:27 PM
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6. Yeah, but that one is being ignored :) (nt)

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Happyhippychick

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:13 PM
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3. The shooting took place in a Federal building. Doesn't that automatically qualify it?

I'm not a lawyer.

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ManiacJoe

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:28 PM
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7. Automatically? No.

It would still have to meet the whole definition. However, it could change the scope from B(i) to B(ii).

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glinda

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:18 PM
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4. It only takes a small number of terrorists to control a peoples. Just look at other

Countries that have terrorism. There are less terrorists than the population yet the public as a whole is emotionally fractured and frightened because of them. Our Government needs to get on this right now. It is terrorism.

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NJGeek

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:34 PM
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8. I think it fits the bill

Edited on Wed Jun-10-09 09:34 PM by NJGeek

I'm not a lawyer either but I'll give it a shot:

— (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; YES (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion YES; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination YES, or kidnapping; and (C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States YES

Looking at both Tiller and the Holocaust guy, you can make a case for every clause (even though ii and iii are OR clauses)

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nadinbrzezinski

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Wed Jun-10-09 09:42 PM
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9. Insurgency defined

When insurgency is used to describe a movement's unlawfulness by virtue of not being authorized by or in accordance with the law of the land, its use is neutral. However when it is used by a state or another authority under threat, "insurgency" often also carries an implication that the rebels' cause is illegitimate, whereas those rising up will see the authority itself as being illegitimate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency

Ain't that lovely too?

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