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Posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:15:07 AM by Blogger

Job 37

5God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.

6For he saith to the snow, Be thou on the earth; likewise to the small rain, and to the great rain of his strength.

7He sealeth up the hand of every man; that all men may know his work.

8Then the beasts go into dens, and remain in their places.

9Out of the south cometh the whirlwind: and cold out of the north.

10By the breath of God frost is given: and the breadth of the waters is straitened.

11Also by watering he wearieth the thick cloud: he scattereth his bright cloud:

12And it is turned round about by his counsels: that they may do whatsoever he commandeth them upon the face of the world in the earth.

13He causeth it to come, whether for correction, or for his land, or for mercy.

14Hearken unto this, O Job: stand still, and consider the wondrous works of God.



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Father God, I confess that I haven't posted this particular thread every single day because at times I just don't feel like it. I see what is going on in our nation, and I see that, in spite of our prayers, it just marches on towards its destruction, and I get discouraged. Evil has overwhelmed the land to where people find rape of a teenager funny. Television is trash. The media a bunch of liars. And, the average Joe blissfully unaware of what is happening in the land and argumentative in his ignorance.
Still, I know my God. I know nothing is too difficult for You and I know that it would be no problem at all for You to turn this thing around. So, it is not a lack of faith in You. Rather, it is a lack of knowing that the way we have been praying is even what Your will is. How can we pray if we do not know what Your will is regarding our leadership and this nation? I pray for their conversion, but what if it is not within Your will that they be converted. Scripture indicates that You hardened Pharaoh's heart. Of course, Your hardening wasn't making him sin, rather it was taking Your hand away and allowing the fruits of his sin to come into full bloom. He perished along with his army. Now, Obama is being called Pharaoh. Perhaps he will be a vessel of wrath poured out upon a land which deserves wrath. When a murdered murderer's funeral can illicit free offers of more murder, this nation has crossed a line.

Father, regarding our abortions and our embryonic stem cell research we are guilty of murder. Blood runs through the pages of our nation's history, but none so red as the past 3 decades.

Regarding our promotion of deviant lifestyles, we are guilty of adultery, lust, sodomy, pedophilia, and just about every other sin you could name. The fact that we are comfortable in a land that not only allows some of this but celebrates it and proclaims this month to be a month to honor the pride of such things shows how far we, as Christians, have fallen. We are guilty.

We have set up other gods before You. Our sports. Our Entertainment industry. Our food. Our money. Our stuff. All of these things are gods to us, and You have been set aside. Those who dare attend something called a church usually attend whitewashed tombs dedicated to hedonistic pursuit. Tickle my ears. Don't tell me truth. It's too offffeennnnsssive. Surely You are ready to spew us out of Your mouth. We are guilty.

Of apathy and laziness, where we see everything going down and do nothing about it. We are guilty.

Of stupidity and arrogance, a dangerous combination, our nation is guilty. Gladly accepting the smooth words of an antiChrist while mocking true Christians is what is in. We are so guilty Lord.

And so, I look at our guilt and I look at what I fear is coming on this nation and I weep. For I know we deserve it all. We have left our first love. We have disdained Your name. We have forgotten the faith. We have become utterly corrupt. And any judgment coming our way, we deserve.

So, knowing this, how do I pray Lord? If You want me to pray for Obama's salvation, I will do that. I know You can save him and change a lot of things.

If You want me to pray to stay Your hand of judgment, I could do that, but I sense no such leading. In fact, calamity may be what it takes to right this nation, or to put her out of her misery. I can not pray for this nation to be free from judgment, for she has become like a filthy pot. Either tumultuous fires will purify her or they will burn her up. I don't want to see my nation destroyed, but she is doing it to herself. I am witnessing the destruction of America and it makes me grieve for the loss of her.

So, Lord, not knowing how to pray for her, I just pray that Your will will be done with her. And, I pray for Your grace to shine in the lives of those reading this and those that they touch.

Things will likely get worse before they get better - but I read the back of the book and we do win. To the glory of Your blessed Son in who's name I pray, Amen.


1 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:15:07 AM by Blogger
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Join me in prayer today. Seek the Lord, while He may be found.



2 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:15:43 AM by Blogger (It is in the religion of ignorance that tyranny begins. - Ben Franklin)
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To: Blogger
Its not a good idea to be praying for the anti-Christ...

3 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:39:53 AM by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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Amen to Every Powerful Word of your Heartfelt Prayer, Sister Blogger. I Stand in Agreement with you, and also Pray our Lord Might Spare our Nation the Severe Judgement that Appears to be on the Horizon, for the Sake of the '7000 who have not Bowed the Knee to Baal.'

God Bless your Anointed Prayer Ministry!


4 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:39:54 AM by Kitty Mittens (To God Be All Excellent Praise!!)
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Hi blogger, I've been on a leave of absence, but I've been praying for our Republic and Obama to accept Jesus Christ as Savior everyday.
Heavenly Father, we ask that You will heal our land, of all the sickness that is so widespread today. We pray that You lift all deception from the eyes of our people and reveal afresh Your truth and light into their lives today. Please station Your holy angels around all our politicians in Wahington D.C, to minister to them and help them to return to You Lord, please draw President Obama to Yourself, so that his sick soul and spirit may be healed.

Please Lord, soften his hardened heart and weaken his arrogance and willful pride. Lord, help President Obama to see the enemy lies that he is feeding on. Help him know Your truth that will set him free from captivity. Lord, we bind any evil spirit that is oppressing him, especially demonic spirits of narcissism and hubris, in the name of Jesus Christ. Lord, we loose the spirit of salvation and peace to President Obama right now. Thank You for hearing our prayer, Father! We give You all the glory, praise and honor. Amen


5 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:55:41 AM by WhatNot
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Deliver us from evil, Lord. Amen.



6 posted on Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:57:07 AM by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Alps !"~~)
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I can't be bothered to go on that site :D

Just like no one has to slow down and look at the bloody car wreck victim in the right-hand lane.

There aren't any words for that kind of stuff, but it makes a great opening shot for a really scary movie.

Except we're in the movie, and we don't want to be..................

Hahahahahahaha!

Great idea!

Smite them hip and thigh.

that DU is becoming their PR firm.

The End.

They are praying to no one. It's pretty fucking sad.

which you apparently readily accept.

is far sadder than death. Death is a natural process in life. It is unavoidable. I find that much less sad than willingly following such a blind belief.

How can you be sure they are more blind than yourself? And if we all die, then 100 years from now it will not matter what we believed.

To believe that something is true without fact is not only wrong, it's detrimental to society. It allows things to take place because "God" said it should be so. It removes the most important function of human advancement...

Logic.


And if you honestly believe that the illogical belief hasn't been a massive detriment to humanity and that we wouldn't be better 100 years from now if we were all atheists/agnostics, then you need to do some more reading on the subject.

Religion has brought about horrors seen by no other cause. It continues to rot away at human decency and scientific thought.

there are 10 commandments of rationalism. Here is the first commandment:

"1. Do not feel absolutely certain of anything."

-Bertrand Russell
from: Bertrand Russell, An Introduction, by Brian Carr (65).

I say this because so many people proclaim with certitude that which cannot be proven (i.e. existence or nonexistence of god).

I am extremely open minded to LOGICAL arguments for anything.

But It also seems that the existence of an all powerful all knowing being is a paradox.

may possibly be attributed to the anthropomorphising of the ineffable. That, at least is my opinion.

The "sky fairy" or "old man upstairs" tags that have been around for as long as I can remember are short-sighted and serve to limit serious consideration. (This is a general statement and not related to anything you said, although you must certainly have seen it in dismissive posts heretofore.)

If we as humans cannot understand the existence of a god because it is outside our "reality", does it matter whether or not we worship that god or even acknowledge that gods existence? Could we ever gain the evidence, within our perception, that would make it possible for us to know that god exists?

If God is all that is good, why did god not create man as a replica of god? Would that not be the best creation? Doesn't that mean that God is not all that is good if god did not create us in gods own perfection?

The paradox, no matter how simple-minded or short-sighted it may seem, comes up in all discussions of god. It cannot be dismissed.

Epicurus's statement is extremely disturbing and hard, if not impossible, to answer.

does not effectively account for faith.

It is my opinion that everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) is accepted or rejected on faith.

Our senses and our science are useful in dealing with our three(?) dimensional environment. But, they cannot be taken as the be-all and end-all of understanding reality.

And, to continue the points raised in your post, why did God put a tree in the garden of Eden and then say, "Hey! Don't do dat!" And then later, "Smatta? You deaf?"

That the world we perceive is the real world. As long as we make sure that our statements are made from within the realm of human perception, our statements are correct.

That is why I find it funny that anyone actually cares about things outside our own level of understanding. It serves us no purpose. If it did serve a purpose, it would not be outside of our own understanding.

The discussion of the possibility of "perfection" is ludicrous to me. It seems that perfection, used within the context of human understanding of the word, is an impossibility.

You seem to make the claim that I am incorrect because I am searching for god within the confines of my human brain. But if I cannot perceive anything outside of what my brain can perceive, does anything outside my own perception even matter to me?

We can only understand what our finite perception allows us to understand. Asking myself or anyone else to do otherwise is insanity.

"You seem to make the claim that I am incorrect because I am searching for god within the confines of my human brain."

I have made no such claim.

Buddha once told his disciples that discussions about god are questions not tending to edification.

This discussion is worth considering:

http://www.hinduwebsite.com/buddhism/essays/buddha_on_god.asp

And, remember, statements of certitude are contrary to Russell's first commandment of rationalism.

People have made up a "god" who is basically a human writ large - "he" has a gender (why?) and emotions (many of them petty), "he" knows everybody's name and has a magic Secret Plan laid out for each person. "He" even sent us "his" "son"! :eyes:

"He" knows when you've been sleeping, "he" knows when you're awake. "He" knows if you've been bad or good - well, you know the rest. That's right - the average human apparently cannot deal with a concept of the ineffable more abstract than Santa Claus!

The same people who need this concrete, humanlike "god" are the same ones who are comforted by the belief that every self-contradicting word in the Bible is literally true.

The idea that geopolitical decisions would be made with reference to this imaginary, ungodlike "Santa Superman" is deeply chilling. Shall we just leave our brains behind then?

The "God" of the philosopher and the mystic is a very different thing from what most religious people believe in. Most people's conception of God has been and still is that of the "sky fairy" and "old man upstairs", a childish, immature longing for a parent-like authority to make decisions for them and comfort them. The "God" of the philosophers and mystics only gets that label out of social convention.

right, that's funny.

I am gonna agree with Ben Franklin on that one. That religion has a positive impact.

And for somebody who believes in facts and logic, then you ought to practice what you preach. Use some facts and logic in your arguments, because this

"And if you honestly believe that the illogical belief hasn't been a massive detriment to humanity and that we wouldn't be better 100 years from now if we were all atheists/agnostics, then you need to do some more reading on the subject."

is not a logical argument and is 100% speculation.

Try looking back 100 years if you want to speculate. What would be different if we all became atheists in 1909? Would we have avoided WWI? How? Would we have avoided the flu epidemic afterwards? Would we have avoided the Great Depression? and WWII? and the Holocaust? How?

Some things that we would lose - Charles Dickens 'A christmas carol' and movies like "it's a wonderful life" and "Miracle on 34th Street". Not sure what the impact of that would be - stories that urge people to be compassionate and generous. Would we have Boy Scouts and Girl Scouts? Are those good organizations?

I'll provide you with a few examples...

1. Islamic Crusades

2. Christian Crusades

3. One argument that Hitler made for the "final solution" was that the only race of god would be the Aryan race.

Those are only specific events.


A better way to look at this is by identifying small events in ever day situations.

1. The mother that refused to get medical treatment for her sons cancer. And many other people following specific religions have done the same. How many kids do you think have died because their religion dictates that they cannot receive vaccinations? This happens all over the world, all the time.

2. The sharia laws of many Islamic countries. They promote hatred towards women. Many trivial violations are punishable by death or mutilation.

3. The belief that creationism is correct. How many years do you think we have been held back in the scientific/medical community because of religious dogma?

4. And now we have the modern version of the crusade. They're called holy warriors. They blow themselves up in squares full of innocent poeple. They assassinate doctors that provide abortions.


Is that enough for you? I can come back later with more.



Any organization that promotes charity because it's religious is not as good as an organization that promotes charity because it only cares about the people. What do you think is better? Someone who helps others because a book tells them to do so, or someone who helps others because they truly care about the people?

If there was no religion, we would have different "scout" groups for kids that would be just as good. There already are secular charity groups that do many good things. We would have artistic/literary material just as beautiful and meaningful as the religious material. In fact, most of my favorite books and movies of all time have nothing to do with any religion. They have a "religious" aspect about them, in that they apply metaphysical thought. But they have nothing to do with any religion.

They murder people in the Streets, have you noticed? They oppress minorities they do not like by law and by violence. Many of the so called 'reasonable religionists' aide them in the defense of their criminal behavior. Why is that?
You see to be defending some very awful things here.

can you tell me, what happened to the famous atheist Madeline Murray O'Hair?

She was murdered by her own son for money.

People do awful things in the name of God. Sometimes they do good things in the name of God too. Lots of times they do awful things and look for some justification. Sometimes they are delusional. If they didn't have the God-delusion, then they would probably do the same awful things based on some other delusion, like the movie 'the Matrix'.

Of the 15,000 or so people murdered every year in the USA, how many of those were killed for religious reasons? Maybe 2% of them? How many of the murderers went to church every week and were sincere followers of Jesus (taking away people like the BTK killer who apparently went to church as part of his cover)? Maybe 5%? or 10%? Then what are you gonna blame the homicidal acts of the other 90% on? And why do you want to smear the other 99% of sincere believers based on the acts of 1% of them?

They should be encouraged to pray 24x7. It won't achieve what they want, but it'll keep them from causing trouble.

It actually hurts to read crazy psycho talk like this. These people are clearly in their own little world on a far-off planet in a distant universe. The chances of them rejoining us here on Earth is approximately zero squared. I am beginning to think America will be plagued by these demons for the rest of its drastically shortened existence. Apparently our only hope is the damned Rapture.

about asshats who pray in public. These people make me sick. As Jesus would say, "Hypocrites!"

:shrug: