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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:08 AM
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Oliver North: ‘I’ve been waterboarded, I used to waterboard people’

http://www.newjerseynewsroom.com/international/oliver-north-ive-been-waterboarded-i-used-to-waterboard-people

Oliver North: ‘I’ve been waterboarded, I used to waterboard people’

Retired Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, host of Fox News' "War Stories," told CNSNews.com that he both underwent waterboarding and subjected others to waterboarding as part of Survival, Evasion, Rescue, Escape (SERE) training in the U.S. military.

North said he underwent waterboarding in his own SERE training, and then subjected others to waterboarding when he became a SERE school instructor.

North refutes President Obama's argument that the waterboarding done by the Central Intelligence Agency in interrogating certain high-ranking al-Qaeda prisoners was torture, and applauds former Vice President Dick Cheney for defending the CIA's use of the technique and its results.

In April, President Obama publicly released four memos prepared by the Justice Department's Office of Legal Counsel during the Bush administration that advised the CIA on the legality of a set of enhanced interrogation techniques that the CIA wanted to use on a limited number of high-level al Qaeda detainees.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:09 AM
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1. And he's also a criminal. nt
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Xipe Totec Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:11 AM
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And a bald faced liar n/t
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:20 AM
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10. and North belongs in prison
may he fall down
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NV Whino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:39 AM
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19. And an idiot.
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santamargarita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:26 PM
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31. In military terms, a shitbag!
:puke:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:10 AM
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2. Will he let Jesse Ventura waterboard him now?
:evilgrin:
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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:10 AM
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3. Jesse Ventura went through it too and said it's torture ...
so Ollie, how about you doing a "waterboarding for charity" event?
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WeDidIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:11 AM
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4. Why should I beleive a convicted liar like North? n/t
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:12 AM
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5. The guy is a little punk wise guy. He'd say anything to get a little attention
& stir up shit. Okay, Ollie lets give it one more try then.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:13 AM
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6. Given our own intelligence reports that says
it's not best practice, it doesn't work, and results in bad information that wastes intelligence agents time checking up on, and increases recruiting to terrorist groups one has to wonder if North is working for us or the terrorists. Oh wait this is the guy that sold weapons to our enemies, to fund central American terrorist that trafficked horrifically additive drugs back into the US. No wonder he loves Cheney because no one in their right mind would think he loves America.
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:14 AM
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7. what -- exactly -- credibility does a liar and convicted criminal
have in this conversation?

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cboy4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:14 AM
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8. Yea like I'm going to believe anything this asshole liar has to say.
:eyes:
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:15 AM
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9. drugstore marine..
go way, Ollie. nobody cares.
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:20 AM
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11. SERE did it BECAUSE it's torture
The purpose of SERE is to prepare our personnel in the event they are TORTURED. That's the only reason they do it. It is NOT any kind of justification for doing it to others.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:26 AM
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16. +1
nuff said
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:30 AM
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18. +2 and evidently they went too gently with him for him to get the message
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:27 PM
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36. Exactly so. nm
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:22 AM
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12. I keep hoping Oliver will disappear into
thin air but it seems he will always be with us. How arrogant.
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arbusto_baboso Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:23 AM
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13. I had SERE training and can tell you unequivocally that it's torture.
That was the whole point of experiencing it.

Why is Ollie North not behind bars?
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:49 PM
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25. A Constitutional Technicality
You know the kind of constitutional right the radical right hates so much.
GAC
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:24 AM
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14. Can you imagine having that fuck-faced North standing over you pouring water into your mouth?

Oliver North--Corporate Stooge

Man, just the thought is torture enough!
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:26 AM
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15. Ollie should be waterboarded until he confesses about his role as Intelligence Officer in 1980's
"failed" hostage rescue mission which made damned sure the October Surprise the Bushies negotiated to hold the hostages until after the election was going to happen.

And how is it, the two Personal Bushie Whores like Secord and North come to be picked OUT OF ALL THE AVAILABLE OFFICERS to lead such a mission who's failure so benefits their Bushie masters?
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Bonhomme Richard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:27 AM
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17. I would believe that North would volunteer to waterboard others.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 10:28 AM by Bonhomme Richard
It his MO.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 10:50 AM
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20. Ollie, you're a liar and a criminal.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 10:51 AM by AndyA
It's not lost on us that Bush 41 likely saved your sorry ass from being put in prison, which is where you belong for your crimes.

You are a liar and a criminal, and you are attempting to protect your fellow liars and criminals. Shut the fuck up.
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unc70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 11:02 AM
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21. People who "served with" North: Their choice to lead a suicide attack
People who "served with" North early in his career described him as the type they had to watch because he might do something stupid that could get them and their men killed. They thought him the perfect candidate for leading a suicide attack on an enemy position (one-man charge).
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The Blue Flower Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:03 PM
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33. I can vouch for that
My ex went through Basic School at Quantico with him before they went to Vietnam. When we met up with him afterward, his stories absolutely confirmed that, and he did have a reputation. It isn't widely known that he spent time in a psych ward on Okinawa in the 70s before he went to work in the basement of the White House.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:37 PM
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22. Once again, the fucking liar is a fucking liar.
'Waterboarding' in SERE training may certainly give a person the feel of what waterboarding is like, but it is TRAINING and EVERYBODY knows it - trainer and trainee alike. There is NO comparison with being waterboarded and not knowing if you will survive it, when it will end, or if it will happen again.

It is, in effect, a mock execution - something specifically prohibited by the Geneva Conventions.
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:43 PM
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23. As a former Marine, I cringe when I see that weasel get press...
Gawd, what a loser, weasel, coward, sell-out piece of shit.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:45 PM
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24. How do we know North's lying? His lips are moving.
That guy just doesn't know when to stop, and he's obviously a pathological liar.
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 01:51 PM
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26. he's a pathological EVERYTHING: he's America's Yagoda
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 02:06 PM by MisterP
he's a festering pustule who represents everything wrong with the national security doctrine: murder, secret wars, mercs, authoritarianism, anti-Marxist hysteria, elevation of the President above the Constitution, and perception of investigative journalism and the public as "domestic enemies"
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:46 PM
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27. Absolutely. Very well said.
I really wish we could undo the Reagan years entirely.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 07:55 PM
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28. It's all fun, until someone coughs up a lung
Thanks, Mr. War Criminal!
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:13 PM
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29. This guy was born at the wrong time
He would have been a blissful concentration camp commandant.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:20 PM
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30. Retired Marine Lt. Col. Oliver North, host of Fox News' "War Stories, Criminal, Traitor to the U.S.
:evilfrown:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 08:39 PM
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32. Yeah. Really. n/t
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Matariki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:11 PM
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34. Why isn't this guy in prison?
Do they always drag him out when they have to cover their asses? Do they think he's magic protection or something?
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laststeamtrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:24 PM
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35. Oliver North: "I have water on the brain. I hang out with people who have water on the brain.
I hung out with Ronald Reagan."
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-12-09 01:56 PM
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37. Ollie North wouldn't have lasted one night in the rack with GI Judy!
Not even with a triple ration of Bob Dole's "Magic" blue Viagra pills and a two liter jug of Rhine Garten!

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