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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:03 PM
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***Senate Hearing - Healthcare Reform - Thursday, June 11, 3:00 p.m.
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 02:13 PM by slipslidingaway
http://help.senate.gov/Hearings/2009_06_11/2009_06_11.html
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:12 PM
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1. Hearing just started....C-Span is not covering the hearing :((
but the video link in the above link works.

I cannot believe cspan is not covering this hearing.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:26 PM
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2. Dr. Margaret Flowers just began nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:28 PM
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3. 101,000 preventable deaths per year....what others countries
hold bake sales, what other countries let people go bankrupt.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:31 PM
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4. She is seated next to Ron Williams from Aetna, last time they were
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 02:31 PM by slipslidingaway
in the same room she was arrested.
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aaronbav Donating Member (148 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:35 PM
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6. Her speech was brilliant!!!! n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:43 PM
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7. Yes, although she is outnumbered and facing charges for
disrupting Congress.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:05 PM
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15. Those charges need to be dropped.
Shame on Baucus!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:11 PM
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17. Agree and Bingaman is now just making the point of exactly
how biased today's witnesses are, he said Dr. Flowers is the only person favoring SPHC.

Though I do not believe that was his intention.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 02:32 PM
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5. I guess there is no interest. nt
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:24 PM
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8. I wonder whether they'll even ask Dr. Flowers a question
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 03:26 PM by RufusTFirefly
My fear is that they'll simply freeze her out of the discussion.


Actually, I forgot that Bernie Sanders is on the committee. She'll get some questions from him at least.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:40 PM
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9. Dr. Flowers did a nice job of interjecting herself into the discussion
She is a wonderful, assertive spokesperson for single-payer.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:44 PM
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11. Thanks, ignore my question below :) nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:42 PM
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10. I agree that they will try and freeze her out, but I just heard her
answer a question, do you know if she was asked or just seized the opportunity?
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:46 PM
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12. Another question coming up from Mikulski n/t
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 03:58 PM
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13. Mikulski just asked Dr. Flowers why the public option will not meet
the needs she outlined in her opening testimony.

Main reason is the cost saving will not be there and it only will fragment the system further.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:00 PM
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14. Now McCain is saying the elephant in the room is how we pay for this HC reform
which is what Dr. Flowers just stated is one of the main differences between the public option and SPHC.

We have to compare the costs!
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:06 PM
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16. Hey McCain too bad you did not ask a SP advocate, the Dr. from
the AMA totally missed the question...difference between my balance sheet and the balance sheet of the U.S.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:15 PM
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18. Sanders up now. nt
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:40 PM
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27. What did Sanders say/ask?
I stayed tuned in to hear him but then had to get up from the screen just as it was his turn to speak. Sigh.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:51 PM
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29. He started off by stating this is the first time a SP advocate has
been invited to the hearings, there was a small amount of applause, but he said to be quite or there could be police :)

Then I forget the exact question to Flowers :( :(

Also...

Sanders to Aetna CEO - the number of people working in HC administration has grown enormously compared to the number of primary care doctors.
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:15 PM
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19. I just tuned in to the panel laughing about mandates
My first impression of that is the comfort they must feel.

Why is CSpan shutting this out? There are no plans to replay this tonight.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:17 PM
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20. None, they are not covering it, did you just hear Sanders:) nt
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dmr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:28 PM
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24. Yes, he puts a smile in my heart
so does Dr. Flowers.
:)

The AMA doc did not give a credible answer, either.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:38 PM
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26. Yes :) n/t
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:21 PM
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21. Thanks for posting this -- wow what a huge panel! nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:25 PM
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23. YW, yes.... and surprised there is no interest. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:24 PM
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22. Sanders to Aetna CEO - the number of people working in
HC administration has grown enormously compared to the number of primary care doctors.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:35 PM
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25. Cost to states of expanded Medicaid is significant under this
bill according to Ray Scheppach, Ph.D., Executive Director, National Governors’ Association, Washington, DC.
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JimWis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:49 PM
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28. Thanks for sharing. I am listening right now. Dr. Flowers is doing
well but she is out numbered. It is almost too depressing to listen to those idiots discussing how to pay for all this, when single payer would take care of all the problems they are discussing. Urrrrggg. Might have to turn it off.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:55 PM
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30. YW, and you are exactly right, that is why they are ignoring SP
but it is exactly for that reason it must be considered.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:01 PM
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32. Yes. Flowers was effectively shut out of much of the discussion
Bingaman from New Mexico in a perhaps admirable attempt to find common ground among members of the panel, cited a number of points that they "all agreed on," neglecting of course that Dr. Flowers didn't agree with any of them. It was as though he pretended she wasn't even there. Very discouraging.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:05 PM
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34. Here was my comment above on Bingaman....
Agree and Bingaman is now just making the point of exactly
how biased today's witnesses are, he said Dr. Flowers is the only person favoring SPHC.

Though I do not believe that was his intention.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 04:57 PM
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31. Now Dodd is going back to costs nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:02 PM
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33. Dr. Flowers on cost...doing nothing now is not the wrong thing....
doing the wrong thing, is the wrong thing.

She then went on to cite studies showing that SPHC is the only option that does not increase costs.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:11 PM
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35. Hearing is adjourned - second panel tomorrow, thanks to those
who replied and recommended.
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RufusTFirefly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 05:17 PM
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36. Frankly, this is what I thought the Senate would do in the first place
Give a forum to single-payer and then marginalize and ignore it. The fact that Baucus worked so hard to keep SPHC "off the table," thus courting a PR disaster, shows how beholden he and some of his colleagues are to for-profit "health" behemoths.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:02 PM
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37. You were right, but she did well considering the situation...still
cannot believe that C-Span is not covering the hearings.

Also I believe that Baucus was just taking the lead from the WH summit.

:(
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-11-09 06:50 PM
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38. Thanks for the fifth...deleted some info in edit. nt
Edited on Thu Jun-11-09 07:20 PM by slipslidingaway
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