Teen who killed kitten in oven gets 10-year sentence, sentenced as an adult

That's STILL not enough, IMO but let the b*tch think about what she did for 10 years.

I hope every SECOND of it is as MISERABLE as HELL for her too. :mad:

http://www.aspca.org/news/national/06-12-09.html#1

:)

as the OP falsely stated. She FACES A POSSIBLE 10 year sentence - she was only arrested last week! I'm not saying you didn't read it bicentennial_lady, but it seems from MANY of the "good she got that 10 year sentence and should burn in hell" type responces that very few people actually took the time to read - or even glance over - the actual article. :shrug:

EXCELLENT point !

No.

:dunce:

Sick young woman.

Eye for an eye.

Cats are very intelligent and bond with humans, experience mammalian fear responses and KNOW THEIR OWN NAMES.

Clams are boiled for food, too, by the way. The kid killed the cat for sadistic purposes.

People who boil clams for food don't necessarily become serial sadistic killers.

You are using a false homo sapien-centric 'us and them' equivalence. Humans are animals.

Does intelligence determine how worthy an animal is for receiving compassion?

Clams are boiled for food, too, by the way. The kid killed the cat for sadistic purposes.

Clams are boiled for pleasure here in the states. There are many other foods available.

You are using a false homo sapien-centric 'us and them' equivalence. Humans are animals.

Please describe how I am "using a false homo sapien-centric 'us and them' equivalence".

I am fully aware which kingdom humans belong to.

"Clams and cats". Thanks for the new expression!

These torturers are a product of their societies.

"view them differently and treat them the same". The way we treat anything is shaped by our view. Unless I am misunderstanding your point.

When a society declares nonhuman animal torture OK for one type of nonhuman animal for pleasure, some will apply this to all nonhuman animals because they do not feel one is more worthy than the other.

I guess my real point is that I don't like that we boil animals alive.

I have been doing some reading on clams trying to figure out if they feel pain or not, and the evidence seems to be inconclusive. I saw a pretty good argument made by scientist late last night that they do not feel pain, but they admitted they did not know for certain. My hope is that they do not feel pain, and if they don't, then I am OK with boiling them alive.

I would like to point out, however, that clams are not boiled or steamed "for pleasure", but for food. I am against killing for pleasure, but not for food. That's the way of Nature.

Or boil a clam?

Sick of the abuse helpless animals are subjected to everyday. Damn it all to hell!! :mad: :mad: :mad:

for placing the kitten in the oven was simply: 'I hate cats.'"

:mad:

This psycho bitch needs to be locked up forever.

But I would no more harm one than I would harm our family dog. This kid should go away for a very long time.

Hey, now that you think about it, isn't it about time the Boomtown Rats did a reunion tour? They could use this for a new single.

I believe that Brenda Spencer was an incest victim. It was readily apparent that normal family life didn't happen there. The house appeared to be abandoned, with a healthy weed population in the front yard and a permanently parked non-op vehicle in the driveway. The drapes were always drawn - in fact, I'd never even seen this girl until her picture was published in the newspaper, despite living 500 feet away and walking past the house nearly every day on our way to school for years.

Her father later married her 17 year old cellmate, and they had a child together. I've always wondered what became of that innocent little girl.

It's all most too horrible to comprehend.

...and read the following:

In addition to cruelty to animals, Cherry was charged with multiple counts of burglary, arson and criminal mischief. Under New York State law, Cherry is considered an adult and faces more than 10 years in prison if convicted of all charges. (Emphasis mine.)

So, unless I am missing something, the trial has not yet taken place, the defendant has not been convicted, and has not been sentenced to anything at this point in time.

In fact, if there is ANYTHING I can do to see that she DOES get convicted of all of it, I will.

This kid is a psychopath. She belongs locked up - for good. That's not going to happen but 10 years to be miserable and THINK about what she did is something, at least.

...she is accused of. If justice prevails, it is my hope that she will receive the maximum sentence possible. Torturing and murdering the cat in such a horrific manner is despicable beyond words, but the arson charge, I suspect, carries a higher price tag than the animal abuse charge. In any case, ten years is not enough, IMO.

Edited to correct a typo.

the maximum sentence.

not lock them away forever. She obviously needs a lot of help.

On edit, I didn't realize she was 17, so time in some type of a facility makes sense. In general, though, I am not a big proponent of trying minors as adults.

which rarely responds to treatment. This person is likely a lost cause.

What an idiot.

According to what I'm reading, it says she COULD be sentenced to as much as ten years, but it doesn't say she HAS been.

Animal cases rarely convict with the maximum penalty, and most perpetrators, in fact, get off without as much as a slap on the wrist.

Am I reading this wrong?

Believe me, I would much rather have read that she was already in prison and was going to be there for the full amount of time! How could anyone be so cruel?

And, if you google, she's got quite a record already, for dognapping, armed robbery, and assault. I think she'll do some serious time.

PERIOD.

more info on this evil pos at this link:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/05/2009-06-05_evil_teen_who_tossed_cat_in_the_oven.html

tiger lilly, from above link:




petition for her to be tried as an adult:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/332/petition-to-have-cheyenne-cherry-tried-as-adult


Her phone number is also out there on the intertubes - not sure I should post it here, but its out there if you look, I have the link if anyone wants it

Only Max is a male.

...how anyone could do it is beyond me. :cry:

Max is a freakin' giant! all grown up.

I can't imagine how anyone could do such a sadistic thing to such an innocent, defenseless creature.

:cry:

I'm glad that boy's getting time. They should get the one that's skinning cats too, but I know someone who raped 2 little girls and a little boy, and all he got was 9 years in prison. They let him serve concurrent sentences.

Of course, he actually did receive a life sentence because they found out he has AIDs that's infected his brain. Now those little kids are going to have to be watched because they're not sure if he had it before going to jail or contracted it in prison.

He'll be parolled in just under 2 years, if he lives that long.

like they were when the rapist teens were tried as adults

It's hard to imagine what goes on in the minds of evil people.

She's also been released without bail.

She was arrested last year for robbery -- she put a BB gun to a woman's forehead and took her Yorkie.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

That's nuts. It appears she has QUITE the criminal record.

That being the case, I hope they toss the BOOK at her. Jeeeze.

Her personal details like address and phone number are all over the place right now. They're brewing up their brand of internet justice.

4chan's guns have huge bores but poor aim.

A 70+ year old woman named Cheyenne Cherry has been inundated with psycho phone calls and unrequested deliveries.

I'm sure some of the people going after her know she's the wrong one and just want to ruin someone's life.

Of course her address and phone # made it to the web.

but thanks anyway.

Your title states "gets 10-year sentence" and the link states "Cherry is considered an adult and faces more than 10 years in prison if convicted."

Was she arrested in June of last year ot this year?

Anyway. I hope she gets the 10 years and more for being a lousy prisoner.

..http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5833073&mesg_id=5833220

Thanks.

but they had the same question that I did.:)

Thanks.

...PRAY and hope that she gets the damn book tossed at her for what she did. :grr:

They eat those delicious creatures.
Next question...?

:toast:

and a white for a calico

I love it.

...so then another death is ok if we eat the animals? Someting quicker...non painful...since you mentioned in an earlier post clams feel no pain so you are ok with boiling. Then things get curious and you mention boiling clams again. Your questions seem a tad combative and accusatory. Rather than considering your options I find myself totally agreeing with and justifying animal protein ingestion.

But I hate cruelty even more. I support this sentence.

I'm still hoping that the family sues so that her actions are a financial

but you are right animal cruelty is horrible and should not be tolerated it is a good indicator as to what she is capable of in the future and they should put her away for a very long time. Now lets go after the factory farms that abuse animals every day in horrible ways as well.

and should be punished.

And the time between being dunked and death is short.

Besides, you can "put them to sleep" in the freezer before the hot pot.

with me killing and eating a cat?

I'm ok with animals being killed reasonably quickly for the purpose of consumption.

What point are you trying to get at? The killing animals for cooking and consumption is no different that slowly torturing an animal to terrorize the owner?

My point is that when we support torturing animals for pleasure, such as boiling clams alive for a yummy meal, some animals are going to be tortured for pleasure, such as cooking a cat in an oven.

My other point is that cheering for this girl to be punished is hypocritical when others are cheered for doing something similar, but to a different animal.

Most people who boil lobsters or clams will never, ever have the thought of roasting a cat alive. This cruel act was all about her and her twisted sense of morality -- not the cultural act of killing animals to eat them.

And, therefore, there is no hypocrisy and cheering for her punishment.

Difficult to determine, but most likely true for The States.

This cruel act was all about her and her twisted sense of morality -- not the cultural act of killing animals to eat them.

I don't understand this point. Both acts are cruel, both acts are for personal reasons, and both acts are within the individual's morality.

No...do ducks feel pain when raised the way they are for foie gras? Yes. If the way we prepare food causes pain to that animal then it is wrong.

bodies are so different than ours and we don't know how to commune with them.

My hope is that clams and lobsters do not feel pain.

Their brains aren't very big, ya know.

no one \puts those animals to sleep before boiled . I am a waitress at a place that serves fresh boiled crawfish and see them chilling in a tub whilst awaiting for teh boil. Quite a few of the other waiters came from Red Lobster and have informed me they threat the lobsters (or big crawfish imho) the same wat

but I wouldn't expect restaurants to do so.

I remember reading about a 17yrs old in Texas (I think) who help beat a Mexican Man to death and he got a year or two? And people here on DU were happy he did not get longer because he was a minor!

Anyway, I am happy with this decision!

...and then some.

And some serious professional help while doing the 10 yrs.

I am not sure how anyone on DU could defend the 17 year old murderer.

They were totally against prosecuting any minor regardless of age or crime as an adult...The crime I am talking about was a group of teenagers who beat to death a Immigrant Mexican Man in Texas. Well, the Judge let the kid off with nothing more than a year or two in Juvenile...I think the kid got it easy because it was a Mexican Immigrant "Illegal" and lets face it there are many Americans in this country who do not see Mexican people as human. I know, I live in Atlanta, Ga and I am surrounded with uneducated racist who know nothing but hate & god.

Anyway, I went back and forth with the this one person on DU and during our conversation someone else chimed in that they agreed with the decision to let the kid off with the light punishment...The reasoning from both of them was simply stupid! It was all based on no child should ever be tried as an adult regardless of crime!

Basically these two were so radically left they had lost their common sense.

But the best way to skin this cat hater is to throw the book at her and put her in the same cell with a cat lover who'd be out to avenge the poor, helpless little kitty.
:mad:

cat.

See how tough she is then. ;)

Kidding of course, but the kid needs some "how do YOU like it" - somehow - I just hope she gets the full sentence and she's miserable every second.

of putting a kitten in an oven is. I'm not squeamish, but I'm sorry that I read about this.
I feel like I need to go home and take a shower and smoke some dope and drink a bottle of vodka and shoot up and curl up next to my cats and wake up when I can't remember anything about it.

...or whatever. Ugh.

I dont know how anyone could ever hurt a cat, or any animal for that matter.

When I hear of such things they get burned into my brain. And I can't get them out again.

:grr: :banghead: :argh: :nuke:

OMG! You hadda say that didn't ya?

Arrrggghhhhhhh!

OK now I just want her and him to GO. AWAY.

for a case of theft.

Fuck.

A person who will inflict this kind of cruelty on an animal is just as likely to do the same to a human. This is a sick person.

should not come as a surprise.

Many people boil lobsters and clams alive and most people just think this behavior is yummy.

not the act of boiling itself

As long as I took no pleasure from the act of boiling the cat.

You just asked that question

enjoy.

Very few don't brake a law here or there.

The pleasure comes from a selfish desire notwithstanding giving a shit.

Just to get that straight.

but you have to change up your message a little bit. I was a fish-eater a while back until I read a study that suggests shellfish feel pain, when in the past it was commonly thought they do not. Stopped eating fish that day.

But this vegetarian does not equate boiling a cat alive and boiling shellfish. My husband, who's a vegan, doesn't either. There is something distinctly messed up about boiling a PET alive, as opposed to boiling shellfish (keeping in mind that most people do not have shellfish for pets). And, considering that most people do not ever watch the killing of their food, you have to understand how many are squeamish and horrified. Some argue that's hypocritical, but it is what it is. Vegetarians don't have to worry about that hypocrisy, by and large.

And, considering that most people do not ever watch the killing of their food, you have to understand how many are squeamish and horrified.

This would probably increase the number of vegetarians in today's world.

There is something distinctly messed up about boiling a PET alive, as opposed to boiling shellfish

I think boiling a cat alive is messed up regardless of whether or not it is a pet.

# of vegetarians. I have no doubt that you think boiling things alive is terrible and we agree completely. :toast:

And I have snails too. They're awesome and keep my fish happy.

Locking her up for ten years may not be enough. You can bet your life that if a small child had "annoyed" her, they would have been murdered next.

Unfortunately it may not be enough.

:crazy:

It's unlikely she'll do the entire ten years, but she will not be treated well in prison.

deterrant. She won't pay for that. Her family likely won't. Taxpayers won't want to. And there are many more out there like her.

I don't know that there is a cure/treatment. Maybe there is.

10 years for killing a cat is rediculous. Do we get 10 years for boiling a lobster alive? Look, I'm not saying it's not horrible but thousands of cows, and pigs, and chickens are all brutally killed everyday by people just to make some $$$. This girl definatly needs help/punishment but 10 years? That will NEVER happen. Drunk driver who kill PEOPLE get less than that. Before you flame me - which I'm sure you will, just know that I am VERY pissed off about this as well - but we just have to be realistic - she will never get 10 years for killing a cat.

As quoted from the article - so it's not even about the cat. Regardless, I stand by my statement that 10 years for killing a cat is cruel and unusual punishment (even though I didn't word it that way.. doh).

She has one felony charge of "aggravated cruelty to animals."

Must be Lobster Day at DU, they're all over this thread :)

It's her many other crimes that bring it to ten.

The man she robbed at gunpoint called her a "psycho".
Sounds about right.

lol wtf..baking kittens in an oven? WTF!
good for her but its kinda too harsh, specially when its compared to other crimes and criminals

in my jurisdiction. as long as it's YOUR cat, and you don't cause undue suffering.

no justification necessary. taking a cat in the back yard and shooting it in the head is legal.

TORTURING a cat is a serious crime.

sticking a cat in an oven is torture.

..simply discharging a firearm in my community (even in your own backyard, except in self defense), is a crime.

Exactly in what nightmare "jurisdiction" do you reside? I'd like to know so I can avoid the area.

To "kill a cat," as long as "you don't cause undue suffering," for no apparent reason ("no justification necessary"), is inhumane and morally repugnant, as is the overall tone of your "shooting it in the head" comment.

And thanks for the heads up on the "sticking a cat in an oven is torture" comment. I never woulda thoughta that without your insightful observation.

BTW, if torturing a cat is a "serious crime," then why are the usual suspects in the torture of HUMANS still on the loose?

many areas of WA state are "open shoot".

many more heavily urban areas aren't.

in the "no shoot" areas, it would still be legal to kill the cat. just not via firearm in the backyard.

what state do you live in?

WA state has no law against killing a house pet.

i have been trained in animal cruelty investigations as part of my LEO training.

i am simply saying what the law IS, not what i want it to be.

in many jurisdictions, it is legal to kill a pet for ANY reason.

as long as you do not cause undue suffering.

that's the law.

Torturing and killing a kitten is NOT

'messing around'!

:grr:

She scares the hell out of me, and somehow I doubt that her criminal "career" is over.

she'll be back it - considering her notorious background.

But she's SERIOUSLY sick in the head. It may not be right, but I wish we could keep people like this locked up. She IS scary.

If she does ten years she will come out a much more effective criminal than she was when she went in and more than likely a good bit more twisted.

I don't own any cats but I have two small dogs and I do like cats OK, but I'm pretty sure that torturing this girl is not the right thing to do.

The older I get the less I'm enamored of the idea of revenge.

Not saying she should skate, but 10 years seems pretty draconian to me. And it's not like prison is going to do much for her psycho tendencies.

The kid obviously has mental issues. Lets not make it worse by adding 10 years of prison.

I swear to god I sometimes wonder if our justice system actually wants to seek justice or vengeance.

At least, depending on who you're asking.

Apparently, she has priors. I don't think much more "learning" is necessary.

is telling.

Whereas people are...well...not.

It's always thrown me for a bit of a loop, too.

Anyone who can do that to a friggin' KITTEN is irredeemable.

Animal cruelty on this scale really ought to be a swiftly-punished capital crime, because such an action shows that the person has no sense of morality, kindness, or compassion whatsoever. No sense in letting a future serial killer get time in jail to become a BETTER criminal.

Executing a subhuman like this is exactly the same principle as euthanizing an animal that's got rabies -- protecting the community from a serious threat and putting the creature out of its misery.

Edit: Execute her accomplice, too.

I remember when I used to be seriously opposed to the death penalty, but if this girl were executed I wouldn't lose a moment of sleep.

While she should certainly be punished, I don't think maxing her on the charges is appropriate. If she spends ten years in a prison, she's going to get released and probably end up only more screwed up than she was before she went in. Mental health treatment inside is notoriously awful, couple that with the experiences that you get in prison, and...well...it's pretty doubtful you're going to get a sparkling ray of sunshine once ten years is up.

While, under NY law, she's treated as an adult, she's still young enough where we could think that maybe intervention is the way to go. Younger people tend not to be as hardened and set in their ways as older people are, and so it might be worth the while to focus on more of a mental health treatment angle.

Again, all of that is not to say that what she did wasn't heinous, or that she shouldn't be getting some sort of punishment. I see a lot of anger on this thread, and I think while that is good (as these should be things that make us angry), sometimes I worry if that anger begins to obscure other, important considerations (such as public good). To illustrate, let's say we have two options. Option one: max her on all charges, no parole. Option two: six months in jail, followed up by five years of probation and mandatory mental health counseling. Even though one of those sentences is significantly harsher and more likely in inflict suffering, does that really make us better off in the long run?

I don't know what made this young woman do what she did, but I'm guessing that there's something not quite right with her. Whether or not it can be helped by counseling, I don't know - I'd leave that to any mental health professionals that actually have contact with her.

Oh, and as others have pointed out, she's not convicted yet. Innocent until proven guilty, all that, yadda yadda yadda.

Apparently the life of a kitten is worth more than the life of a 17 year old girl.

They aren't morally equivalent because this girl would be facing life without parole or the death penalty (if she were 18) if she did this to a person. But we are indeed very protective of our cats and dogs. It is interesting how societies choose which animals are scared and which are not.

fuck yes

If you want to document some equally egregious trespasses by kittens, I may be open to persuasion

BINGO!

She preyed on an innocent being and murdered it.

She's sick in the head and she is a DANGER to others. She should be locked up.

Last year she robbed a man in her neighborhood at gunpoint.

How many violent crimes should she get away with before she does some time?

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2009/06/06/2009-06-06_cheyenne_cherry_teen_accused_of_burning_cat_in_oven_was_busted_in_2008_in_armed_.html

Cherry said little Tiger Lily was killed during "a practical joke" - the same excuse she gave for shoving a gun in the robbery victim's face last year, cops said.

"It was just a joke," Cherry said after her arrest for robbing a man of his iPod at gunpoint. She pleaded guilty to robbery and got five years probation.

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It was probably only a matter of time before she moves on to humans.

I don't see how rehabilitation is possible when there's absolutely no remorse.

And it's NOT because of her age. 17 is plenty old enough to have a moral compass and a sense of right and wrong. I've known 7-year-olds to get upset and want to make amends if they think they've hurt someone.

Complete lack of that, and the idea that armed robbery and animal torture are "jokes", is a sign of something broken that's not getting fixed.

That's a psychopath.

...humans like 17 year-old girls.

She's a psychopath. People who are cruel to animals are also eventually cruel to humans.

So you think she should just get off with what, a spanking from her mother? Psychopathy is genetic, mostly and there is no cure.

Locking them up for life is the only way to keep everyone ELSE safe once they've gotten themselves a record like hers and they start in on murdering animals - humans will be next.

And we humans (the rest of us) have a right to protect ourselves.

Sheesh. She isn't a potential criminal. SHE IS A CRIMINAL.

Duh.

Nothing to do with future crime. Silly me.

would get boiled alive and such things.

Maybe Cyanide is painful ,I forget , ok , something not painful .

She is broken beyond repair.

It's a done deal.