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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 11:59 AM
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Are There Five Judges On SCOTUS Who Will Uphold The Fourteenth Amendment ?
Edited on Sat Jun-13-09 12:00 PM by DemocratSinceBirth
Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:02 PM
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1. Isn't that their job?
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anonymous171 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:04 PM
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2. I think we should amend that to define "person" as "human being"
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:16 PM
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7. Um, no. Fetuses are humans. Persons are, if you go by Constitutional
context, those who have been BORN.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:05 PM
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3. Depends what aspect.
The depriving people of property w/o due process is routinely violated w/o legal consequences under "eminent domain" if the original property owner isn't wealthy or well-connected. If you mean will immigrants have the diminishing rights as the rest of us, for the most part I think so. The anti-Muslim hysteria is diminishing in the gov't agencies, I think.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:07 PM
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4. Yes
LAWRENCE et al. v. TEXAS
CERTIORARI TO THE COURT OF APPEALS OF TEXAS, FOURTEENTH DISTRICT
No. 02—102. Argued March 26, 2003–Decided June 26, 2003

Responding to a reported weapons disturbance in a private residence, Houston police entered petitioner Lawrence’s apartment and saw him and another adult man, petitioner Garner, engaging in a private, consensual sexual act. Petitioners were arrested and convicted of deviate sexual intercourse in violation of a Texas statute forbidding two persons of the same sex to engage in certain intimate sexual conduct. In affirming, the State Court of Appeals held, inter alia, that the statute was not unconstitutional under the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. The court considered Bowers v. Hardwick, 478 U.S. 186, controlling on that point.

Held: The Texas statute making it a crime for two persons of the same sex to engage in certain intimate sexual conduct violates the Due Process Clause. Pp. 3—18.

Kennedy, J., delivered the opinion of the Court, in which Stevens, Souter, Ginsburg, and Breyer, JJ., joined. O’Connor, J., filed an opinion concurring in the judgment. Scalia, J., filed a dissenting opinion, in which Rehnquist, C. J., and Thomas, J., joined. Thomas, J., filed a dissenting opinion.

http://supct.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/02-102.ZS.html
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:09 PM
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5. What's To Stop Two Men Or Women From Trying To Get A Marriage License In , Say, Alabama
And then taking it through the courts when they are denied.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:22 PM
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8. Money and the time it involves, the emotional commitment.
The case that has DU and the internet a buzz because of the DOJ's argument is the case of a same sex couple that filed the lawsuit in 2000.

From the 9th circuit's opinion.

Arthur Bruno Smelt and Christopher David Hammer, two men who wish to marry each other, appeal the district court's orders1 which (a) abstained as to their claim that three sections of the California law relating to marriage are unconstitutional,2 and (b) ruled adversely to them on their claims that two sections of the Federal Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA)3 are likewise unconstitutional. We affirm in part, reverse in part, and remand for dismissal of both DOMA claims.


Smelt and Hammer are both males who wish to obtain a California marriage license and to marry each other in that state. They applied to the County Clerk of Orange County, California, for issuance of a marriage license on two occasions. They were denied a license both times "because are of the same gender." Were it not for that, " meet the qualifications for issuance of a marriage license. applied for and received a Declaration of Domestic Partnership from the State of California dated January 10, 2000."4

Smelt and Hammer then brought this action against the County of Orange and the Orange County Clerk (collectively the County); and the State Registrar of Vital Statistics, California Department of Health Services (the State).5 The amended complaint alleged that to the extent that California Family Code sections 300,6 301,7 and 308.58 preclude them from obtaining a marriage license, those sections violate: equal protection; due process; "the Right to Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness"; "the right to be free from an undue invasion of the Right to Privacy; ... the Ninth Amendment Right of Reservation of all Rights not Enumerated to the People, and the Right to Travel, and The Right of Free Speech." The complaint also asserted that section 308.5 violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause of the United States Constitution.9

Additionally, the complaint raised federal constitutional challenges to DOMA. Specifically, it alleged that Section 2 of DOMA (28 U.S.C. 1738C)10 violates the United States Constitution's Due Process Cause (Fifth Amendment), equal protection rights (Fifth Amendment), the Right to Privacy, and the Full Faith and Credit Clause. Finally, it alleged that Section 3 of DOMA (1 U.S.C. 7)11 violates the "liberty interests protected by the Due Process Clause"; discriminates "on the basis of gender" and "sexual orientation" in violation of equal protection; and violates "the privacy interests protected by the Right to Privacy."

http://vlex.com/vid/smelt-rodrian-statistics-proposition-20519090


I don't think that this new filing that Smelt & Hammer filed will survive. They have a standing problem.

I think Ted Olson's lawsuit (Perry et al v. Schwarzenegger et al) has a better chance of making it to SCOTUS.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:11 PM
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6. Not yet
Never has been, may never be.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:39 PM
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9. The purpose of this amendment
was to make the recently freed slaves citizens of the states they resided in.

It was part of the post-Civil War amendments.

13th Slaves are freed
14th freed slaves made citizens
15th freed slaves (males) have the right to vote

In the 1970's there was some scholarly group that I think Newsweek or Time put on their cover that the 14th Amendment was never legally passed. I don't remember what the beef was. Some legality.
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:42 PM
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10. yes. which is why heller will be incorporated
to the states
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 02:21 PM
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11. I hope Sotomayor is confirmed soon.
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