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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:46 PM
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Obama's DOJ DOMA defense: Worse than you think. ("Jaw-dropping assault on gays & lesbians")
I returned from a pleasant afternoon away from work to find an unfolding horror story, detailed on my favorite blogs and news sources — the Obama Administration’s DOJ has just filed a motion to dismiss a legal challenge to the Defense of Marriage Act (”DOMA”).

Whether or not the administration was legally required to do so (a debated point, but let’s assume Lars Thorwald is right, and that a legally defensible law should be defended), opposition to the suit (Smelt v. United States) might make sense as a tactic; if the case ever did reach the Supreme Court, the prospects for success are doubtful. But once that strategy matter is decided, there are all sorts of briefs one might write. The simplest, and least harmful, would have been to challenge the case on standing (since the plaintiffs hadn’t “applied” for federal benefits); to the extent a more substantive argument were thought advisable, a standard-issue argument about judicial deference would have sufficed. At the other end of the spectrum is the brief that was actually written.

Dan Savage was merciless. Andrew Sullivan was more measured, but deeply concerned. (See this summary of his view, from a few minutes ago.) Reading his and others’ take on some of the legal arguments, I thought: Wait! I’m a lawyer, so I’m going to read the brief so I can assuage my worst fears. And then go have a beer.

Well, this Friday night (and likely many more) are ruined. The brief is a jaw-dropping assault on gays and lesbians. Instead of the kind of measured and careful response I was expecting (despite the jeremiads I was reading), I got a brief that seems to have been intended to set the course of judicial progress on gay rights back many years. I wish I were exaggerating....

http://wordinedgewise.org/blog/2009/06/12/doma-defense-its-worse-than-you-think/
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LostinVA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:47 PM
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1. k&r -- well-written piece!
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:51 PM
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41. Is Bluebear the author of this piece?
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:52 PM
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2. off to the Greatest Page with ye, PT
Edited on Sat Jun-13-09 12:52 PM by Skittles
I'm sick of the pretzel logic diplayed on DU trying to excuse this shit
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ruggerson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:54 PM
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3. K/R
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 12:57 PM
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4. recommend
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:01 PM
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5. There are people actually defending it here! I am not surprised though
-150154200 dimensional chess game
-He's only had X days/months/years
-He issued a proclamation
-Just wait
-Look at the puppies!
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Merryweather Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:02 PM
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6. Not excusing Obama but
we have to bear in mind that the godawful language used in the brief was the work of a Mormon Bush holdover, not the Obama Administration or DOJ as a whole. The brief was totally unnecessary and and a real kick in the teeth to the gay rights cause on its own and I condemn the President for sanctioning the document, but the "jaw-dropping assault" on gays is a religious homophobic wingnut injecting his own personal prejudices into it. Which begs the question - why the hell was this guy still in the DOJ, and why was he allowed to write this brief?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:04 PM
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7. Understood, but after Donnie McClurkin, Rick Warren, jokes at our expense etc...
...we can only assume that this has Obama's imprimatur. :(
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Merryweather Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:12 PM
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9. No I see your point
I'm incredibly frustrated with Obama on this issue myself, and it does seem like he's flipping the bird at gays. Andrew Sullivan summed up his attitude towards gay rights perfectly: "the fierce urgency of whenever".
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:18 PM
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11. In any case, welcome to DU!
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:03 AM
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30. Yes - there is that pesky PATTERN that has been carefully developed and nutured...
kinda hard to ignore that, except for the cult members posting here...
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Bluenorthwest Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:08 AM
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26. Hand picked for this job
And known to have a religiously based bigotry against the petitioners. That individual was not a 'holdover' he was retained by Obama. With intention. Why would a lawyer with an axe to grind be put in charge of this? He should have been excluded from being part of it. If he had any ethics springing from his 'faith' he'd have recused himself.
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Ms. Toad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:30 AM
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27. We really don't know who wrote it.
It was signed by a Mormon Bush holdover. I have electronically signed documents filed in court which I did not author - who signs is often more a matter of who has time, who has the support staff to set it up, etc. There were three names on the motion. All three, including Obama's hand picked AAG, are legally and ethically responsible for the brief and its content.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:06 PM
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8. Thank you for all your work Bluebear.
recommended reading.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 02:10 PM
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15. :)
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:14 PM
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10. Obama Has Learned The Secret From Clinton
Once you're in office, always stay just a touch to the left of the Republicans even if it screws over the Left - because what are the odds of the Left voting for somebody else? They won't vote for a Republican because that'd be even worse. And if a third party runs to the left, e.g., Nader, the Left itself will marginalize them for hurting the chances of the Democrat.

Clinton was brilliant. Triangulation is the most important political innovation in decades.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:26 PM
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13. And Obama could give Clinton lessons on triangulation.
I always thought Clinton was the master when it came to calibration, calculation, and triangulation, but Obama makes him look like a rank amateur.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:39 AM
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19. And the net result of "Centrist Triangulation"....
...is that the country moves steadily to The Right.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:41 AM
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20. Yeah, but as long as we make our rightward lurch in a stylish way,
some seem to be OK with it.
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:08 PM
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34. What we are seeing is worse than triangulation...

Democrats are now to the right of several prominent Republicans on this issue, including no less than Dick Cheney! If this trend continues, then if you want a candidate who will support gay marriage rights, the Democratic Party will not be for you.
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foxfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:22 PM
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12. Thanks, Bluebear!
K&R
:kick:
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paulsby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 01:37 PM
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14. excellent analysi
im not a lawyer but i read a lot of briefs. spot on
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 02:23 PM
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16. This layman has been looking for mention of other sound legal options for DOJ in this.
I see John Culhane mentions two, while allowing for discussion purposes that DOJ was legally bound to file a brief.

Whether or not the administration was legally required to do so (a debated point, but let’s assume Lars Thorwald is right, and that a legally defensible law should be defended), opposition to the suit (Smelt v. United States) might make sense as a tactic; if the case ever did reach the Supreme Court, the prospects for success are doubtful. But once that strategy matter is decided, there are all sorts of briefs one might write.


One option he mentions is a challenge "on standing". This would simply state that Smelt and his husband hadn't "applied for benefits" outside of California where they are legally married (denial of benefits outside California was one of the points in the case.) i.e. The case doesn't have merit.

The other is a challenge on "judicial deference". Apparently this is a seldom used option in the US which affords the Judiciary to defer to the Legislature on a case, and step out of it. i.e. DOMA was written by Congress, it's their responsibility, not the court's. A slim wikipedia entry has this -

Judicial deference is a doctrine by which judges seek to avoid frustrating the will of the legislature when deciding cases <1>. It is most commonly found in countries such as the United Kingdom, which lack an entrenched constitution, as the essential purpose of such documents is to limit the power of the legislature.


So, it seems the DOJ had other options than the transferability of marriage rights across state jurisdictions. I would have liked to see them play the "judicial deference" case to try and get a ruling that Congress has a responsibility to take a re-look at DOMA.

Obviously I don't know if that would fly in the court, or what would be the outcome in Congress (they had a heavy majority for DOMA in it's enactment).

Thanks for the link to this article.
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RetroLounge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 02:28 PM
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17. K&R
:kick:

RL
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Mark Twain Girl Donating Member (410 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-13-09 02:50 PM
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18. How awful. This makes me physically ill to read. nt
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 12:54 AM
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21. K&R
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livefreest Donating Member (378 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 02:10 AM
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22. K&R
hope for human rights
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:58 AM
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23. "To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources. .
surely a legitimate government purpose." . . .

when the government continues to spend billions of dollars a day on illegal wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and when it continues to throw hundreds of billions at the very corporations who caused our economic downfall, using this as an argument is more than insulting -- it is unforgivable . . .

whatever the cost of federal benefits that might go to married gays may be, I'm sure it would be more than covered in the first couple of days without these wars . . . or simply by printing a little more of the stuff their presses are cranking out day and night to pay for the bailouts . . .

what an absolute crock of shit . . .
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BlancheSplanchnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:24 AM
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29. seems like the same "logic" used to blame "welfare queens" for high taxes. n/t
:(
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 05:34 AM
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24. K&R.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 06:31 AM
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25. Bluebear, are you the author of this piece?
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:32 PM
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43. John Culhane
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 12:38 AM
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45. It is brilliantly written.
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skepticscott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:04 AM
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28. What needs to be mentioned is
that the contents of this brief do not reflect Barack Obama's position or thinking on gay marriage or gay rights in general. Under the rules guiding the proper functioning of the DOJ (which we saw precious little of over the last 8 years), they would neither inform the president of what was going to be in the brief, nor seek his approval of what they wrote before filing it.

It remains to be seen what Obama will do to fight for the repeal of DOMA in Congress (which is the proper, and only truly effective forum for that fight). I still have some hope (though not a lot) that he will take this issue up seriously.
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Union Yes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:24 AM
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31. Solidarity from a fellow bear. When Obama repeals DOMA, we'll know his sincerity
We're waiting, as second class citizens.

We've been waiting since 1776. And are nowhere nearer to our goal of equality 233 years later.
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whistler162 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:41 AM
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32. Well since only CONGRESS can repeal a LAW
you have set President Obama a impossible task. If CONGRESS passes a bill repealing DOMA and/or DATA AND THEN President Obama VETO's the bill then you have something to compalin about.

It would be nice if someone provided a list of which laws can be obeyed and which laws can be ignored.
Whish Executive Orders can be issued and which can't.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 02:59 PM
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33. He certainly could signal some leadership on the issue though, couldn't he?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:27 PM
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36. Apparently presidents are no longer allowed to lobby the Congress.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 03:28 PM by QC
I guess it's part of this new theory of separation of powers that the fanboiz here have developed, the one that puts the Department of Justice in the judicial branch.

It's a good thing that Lyndon Johnson didn't just mope around the White House hoping that the Congress might someday pass some civil rights legislation.
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:20 PM
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42. No, they just go to Broadway shows 'n stuff now.
Anything else would be against the LAW OF THE LAND.
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:23 PM
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44. And Paris! Don't forget Paris! n/t
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:22 PM
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35. Repetitive Misguidance.
It's the same misguided argument from merely a different mouthpiece. But it all sounds exactly the same.

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:32 PM
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37. And All Meant To Bash Our Awesome President.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 03:35 PM by Bluebear
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:44 PM
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38. RULE OF LAW! Rule Of Law! ruleoflaw -
How's that for repetitive misguidance?
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 03:46 PM
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39. LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!11!!!1
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bluedawg12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 04:10 PM
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40. It's a bit lengthy.
From: http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-depart...

Commentary by John Aravosis at American Blog, text after colon, from the Court document.

Holy cow. Obama invoked incest and people marrying children:

The courts have followed this principle, moreover, in relation to the validity of marriages performed in other States. Both the First and Second Restatements of Conflict of Laws recognize that State courts may refuse to give effect to a marriage, or to certain incidents of a marriage, that contravene the forum State's policy. See Restatement (First) of Conflict of Laws § 134; Restatement (Second) of Conflict of Laws § 284.5 And the courts have widely held that certain marriages performed elsewhere need not be given effect, because they conflicted with the public policy of the forum. See, e.g., Catalano v. Catalano, 170 A.2d 726, 728-29 (Conn. 1961) (marriage of uncle to niece, "though valid in Italy under its laws, was not valid in Connecticut because it contravened the public policy of th state"); Wilkins v. Zelichowski, 140 A.2d 65, 67-68 (N.J. 1958) (marriage of 16-year-old female held invalid in New Jersey, regardless of validity in Indiana where performed, in light of N.J. policy reflected in statute permitting adult female to secure annulment of her underage marriage); In re Mortenson's Estate, 316 P.2d 1106 (Ariz. 1957) (marriage of first cousins held invalid in Arizona, though lawfully performed in New Mexico, given Arizona policy reflected in statute declaring such marriages "prohibited and void").


Then in the next paragraph, they argue that the incest and child rape cases therefore make DOMA constitutional:

The fact that States have long had the authority to decline to give effect to marriages performed in other States based on the forum State's public policy strongly supports the constitutionality of Congress's exercise of its authority in DOMA.



DOMA is good because it saves the feds money:

"The constitutional propriety of Congress's decision to decline to extend federal benefits immediately to newly recognized types of marriages is bolstered by Congress's articulated interest in preserving the scarce resources of both the federal and State governments. DOMA ensures that evolving understandings of the institution of marriage at the State level do not place greater financial and administrative obligations on federal and state benefits programs. Preserving scarce government resources — and deciding to extend benefits incrementally — are well-recognized legitimate interests under rational-basis review. See Butler, 144 F.3d at 625 ("There is nothing irrational about Congress's stated goal of conserving social security resources, and Congress can incrementally pursue that goal."); Hassan v. Wright, 45 F.3d 1063, 1069 (7th Cir. 1995) ("Protecting the fisc provides a rational basis for Congress' line drawing in this instance."). Congress expressly relied on these interests in enacting DOMA: Government currently provides an array of material and other benefits to married couples in an effort to promote, protect, and prefer the institution of marriage. . . . If were to permit homosexuals to marry, these marital benefits would, absent some legislative response, presumably have to be made available to homosexual couples and surviving spouses of homosexual marriages on the same terms as they are now available to opposite-sex married couples and spouses. To deny federal recognition to same-sex marriages will thus preserve scarce government resources, surely a legitimate government purpose."


DOMA is constitutional (thus screwing us on any future lawsuits):

The constitutionality of Section 2 of DOMA is further confirmed by the second sentence of the Full Faith and Credit Clause, which expressly empowers Congress to prescribe "the Effect" to be accorded to the laws of a sister State. See U.S. Const. art. IV, § 1, cl. 2. Although the broad contours of this provision have not been conclusively established, the power exercised by Congress in enacting DOMA clearly conforms to any conceivable construction of the effects provision....

Under this view, Congress obviously acted within its plenary effects power in enacting Section 2 of DOMA. If the Constitution itself does not declare "the effect" of the law of "one state in another state," McElmoyle, 38 U.S. (13 Pet.) at 325, but instead leaves that "power in congress," Mills, 11 U.S. (7 Cranch) at 485, then Congress clearly had the authority in DOMA to declare that no State is "required to give effect" to the same-sex marriage laws of other States. 28 U.S.C. § 1738C.


"DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles." This is important because it means that Obama wasn't content to simply argue, based on technicalities, that this case should be thrown out. He went out of his way to argue that DOMA is actually constitutional, and then went into detail destroying every single constitutional argument we have for opposing DOMA in court. This will screw us on every lawsuit we file on every gay issue, in every public policy debate we have in the states on any gay issue.

DOMA Is Consistent with Equal Protection and Due Process Principles Plaintiffs further allege that DOMA violates their rights under the Due Process Clause of the Fifth Amendment, including its equal protection component. DOMA, however, merely preserves for each State the authority to follow its own law and policy with respect to same-sex marriage for purposes of State law. And it maintains the status quo of federal policy, preserving a longstanding federal policy of promoting traditional marriages, by clarifying that the terms "marriage" and "spouse," for purposes of federal law, refer to marriage between a man and a woman, and do not encompass relationships of any other kind within their ambit. Thus, because DOMA does not make a suspect classification or implicate a right that has been recognized as fundamental, it is necessarily subject to rational-basis scrutiny, see National Ass'n for Advancement of Psychoanalysis v. California Bd. of Psychology, 228 F.3d 1043, 1049 (9th Cir. 2000), which it satisfies.


Gays have no constitutional right to marriage, or recognition of their marriages by other states:

Plaintiffs are married, and their challenge to the federal Defense of Marriage Act ("DOMA") poses a different set of questions: whether by virtue of their marital status they are constitutionally entitled to acknowledgment of their union by States that do not recognize same-sex marriage, and whether they are similarly entitled to certain federal benefits. Under the law binding on this Court, the answer to these questions must be no.


Praises DOMA as "cautiously limited":

DOMA reflects a cautiously limited response to society's still-evolving understanding of the institution of marriage.



Sounds to me like Obama just came out against the Loving v. VA case that ensured that people like his parents could marry:

On the merits, plaintiffs' claims that DOMA violates the Full Faith and Credit Clause and their "right to travel" both fail as a matter of law. In allowing each State to withhold its recognition of same-sex marriages performed in other jurisdictions, Congress was merely confirming longstanding conflict-of-laws principles in a valid exercise of its express power to settle such questions under the Full Faith and Credit Clause. That Clause ensures that each State retains the authority to decline to apply another State's law when it conflicts with its own public policies. DOMA is fully consistent with that constitutional principle, as it permits States to experiment with and maintain the exclusivity of their own legitimate public policies — such as whether that State chooses to recognize or reject same-sex marriages.


Gays don't deserve same scrutiny in court that other minorities get:

Because DOMA does not restrict any rights that have been recognized as fundamental or rely on any suspect classifications, it need not be reviewed with heightened scrutiny. Properly understood, the right at issue in this case is not a right to marry. After all, the federal government does not, either through DOMA or any other federal statute, issue marriage licenses or determine the standards for who may or may not get married. Indeed, as noted above — and as evidenced by the fact that plaintiffs have married in California — DOMA in no way prohibits same-sex couples from marrying. Instead, the only right at issue in this case is a right to receive certain benefits on the basis of a same-sex marriage. No court has ever found such a right to federal benefits on that basis to be fundamental — in fact, all of the courts that have considered the question have rejected such a claim. (And even if the right at issue in this case were the right to same-sex marriage, current Supreme Court precedent that binds this Court does not recognize such a right under the Constitution.) Likewise, DOMA does not discriminate, or permit the States to discriminate, on the basis of a suspect classification; indeed, the Ninth Circuit has held that sexual orientation is not a suspect classification.


Argues Republican position on how judges should review cases:

DOMA therefore must be analyzed under rational-basis review. Under the highly deferential rational basis standard, moreover, a court may not act as superlegislature, sitting in judgment on the wisdom or morality of a legislative policy. Instead, a legislative policy must be upheld so long as there is any reasonably conceivable set of facts that could provide a rational basis for it, including ones that the Congress itself did not advance or consider. DOMA satisfies this standard.



The twisted logic of this paragraph is sickening. Pat Robertson could have written this:

Likewise, Section 3 of DOMA merely clarifies that federal policy is to make certain benefits available only to those persons united in heterosexual marriage, as opposed to any other possible relationship defined by law, family, or affection. As a result, gay and lesbian individuals who unite in matrimony are denied no federal benefits to which they were entitled prior to their marriage; they remain eligible for every benefit they enjoyed beforehand. DOMA simply provides, in effect, that as a result of their same-sex marriage they will not become eligible for the set of benefits that Congress has reserved exclusively to those who are related by the bonds of heterosexual marriage. In short, then, the failure in this manner to recognize a certain subset of marriages that are recognized by a certain subset of States cannot be taken as an infringement on plaintiffs' rights, even if same-sex marriage were accepted as a fundamental right under the Constitution.



DOMA is a good thing:

It adopts on the national level, and permits on the state level, a wait-and-see approach to new forms of marriage. DOMA thus maximizes democratic flexibility under our federalist scheme, by simply preventing some States from requiring other States and the federal government to grant benefits to forms of marriages that, under their own constitutions, state or federal governments are not obligated to recognize. Because it is rationally related to legitimate governmental interests, plaintiffs cannot overcome the "presumption of constitutionality" that DOMA, like all federal statutes, enjoys.


DOMA is rational and constitutional:

Its cautious decision simply to maintain the federal status quo while preserving the ability of States to experiment with new definitions of marriage is entirely rational. Congress may subsequently decide to extend federal benefits to same-sex marriages, but its decision to reserve judgment on the question does not render any differences in the availability of federal benefits irrational or unconstitutional.

Provides legal argument against gays' right to privacy:

Second, the right to privacy encompasses only rights that are constitutionally fundamental, and, as noted earlier, the right to receive benefits on the basis of same-sex marriage (as well as same-sex marriage itself) has not been recognized by the courts as a fundamental right.


DOMA was actual a very "neutral" law, rather than anti-gay:

Section 3 of DOMA reflects just such an approach: it maximizes democratic flexibility and self-governance under our federalist system, by adopting a policy of federal neutrality with respect to a matter that is primarily the concern of state government. Because all 50 States recognize heterosexual marriage, it was reasonable and rational for Congress to maintain its longstanding policy of fostering this traditional and universally-recognized form of marriage. At the same time, because Congress recognized both the freedom of States to expand the traditional definition, and the freedom of other States to decline to recognize this newer form of marriage, a policy of neutrality dictated that Congress not extend federal benefits to new forms of marriage recognized by some States.


read the rest at...
http://www.americablog.com/2009/06/obama-justice-depart...
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46. Yes, we can't!
The fierce urgency of NOT NOW!

Let's hope Mr. Hope can find his conscience.
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