An incident on the highway today...

My Veterans for Obama bumper sticker was the cause of umbrage taken by a group of bikers today. I'm removing it. We all need to be careful just now, with the increase in panic-driven violence by certain right-wing nutcases.

Anyhow, I was on my way to the local farm store to buy some birdseed in my Volvo. It's a nice day here, which brings out the motorcyclists on their "rides." A group of middle-aged guys on Harleys came up at a traffic light. I could see a couple of them pointing at the back of my car as I waited for the light to change.

When it did, they boxed me in on the road, yelling and making obscene gestures. I took the left exit to the farm store and they went on down the road.

Now, this wasn't a biker gang. It was a bunch of wannabe bikers, compensating for their low testosterone levels. Generic "colors," flags on the sissy bars, and that sort of thing. But, it's more than a little troublesome. They're going to ride somewhere, drink a bunch of beer at some bar a few miles away and ride back. This morning, they were sober. Drunken idiots are more of a problem.

So, I'm taking the stickers off. I don't have time for this nonsense.

Be careful out there, folks.

You do what you think is right, but I think it's cowardice to bow to their bullshit.

a minor statement. Action is doing actual things to improve the situation.

I'm not the only one who drives that vehicle, WeDitIt. Think about it a minute or two.

If my bumper sticker actually accomplished something or got something done, I'd put more of them on the car. The reality is that the other things I do are far more useful.

But, you do as you see fit. I'll do the same.

the goal. I'd take it off too. A bumpersticker isn't worth the trouble.

I am doing the same here - for one, I am not being a smart mouth and popping off to imbecilic fundies I know when they say extremely distasteful stuff. These comments, no matter how witty I think they are, are really nothing more than a one liner bumper sticker of the mouth. You know, I don't know who is really too far gone around the bend, then lost a job, a car and everything else to their imprudent spending, and might just be looking for the next opportunity to arise to lash out. Popping off, or even engaging in a serious heated debate with someone who has zero intention of changing their belief system and would love to mix it up physically gets me where? Nowhere. I am not creating "change" that way. Just begging an potentially highly unstable person to make me a target.

Sometimes there is relative peace in this old world, and other times it is on the border of chaos and coming apart at the seams, full of senseless violence. I think we are at the start of one of those real rough periods, and it is good to be thinking about what you want to achieve, and asking whether some act really gets you to the goal, or just could get you killed for nothing, and proceed accordingly. I believe the stakes are very high right now.

I would never display a bumper sticker or yard sign. They don't really accomplish anything but they do increase the risk of an incident (as in the OP). I just wouldn't want to take the chance. I guess that makes me a coward then?

Screw that. Being sensible is not cowardice. I'd be interested to see what forms of provocation the name-callers engage in. Really. It's the old "lets you and him fight" crap. I choose my battles.

I'm the same way here in the Midwest. I'd rather just vote quietly than proclaim a locally unpopular political stance. Fortunately, my entire neighborhood was pretty quiet during the election season. We only had one or two McCain signs go up in the entire subdivision, and a few cars had Obama bumper stickers.

My political views are different from those of many of my friends. We just agree to disagree and not talk politics.

I admit to feeling uneasy about the current climate. The spin machines are busy driving people into violent frenzies right now, and I don't want to become a target. Especially with a house full of young children and a deployed husband. I'm just keeping to myself and not advertising my liberal views the world. If it was just me, it would be another thing, but with hubby so far away, I can't afford to take chances.

Live and learn in GD, I guess.

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I think I would have had to kick his @ss.

Good grief. What ever happened to picking your fights because you were born with frontal lobes?

lol

not serious.

was great. More than a woman to me, less than a billboard.

:rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s4q5GEaqg6I&feature=related

EARWORM!!! Thanks a lot, sandylettersitter!! :eyes:

It's not a bumpersticker, it's a brand!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6FqxxYABvU

That's an idiotic statement. Using intelligence and being sensible is cowardice?

Bravado in the face of danger is a sure sign of low intelligence in my book. Even the most cowardly person can kill a brave one if they set their mind to it.

A volvo weighs a lot more than a bike. Swerve a bit and they will back off. If you act crazier than they are they will wither like the punk assed bitches they are.

And if that doesn't work call 9-11 and start yelling that they have guns. You'll have cops popping out of the ground like jackrabbits in Nebraska.

a stupid strip of paper glued to your bumper is not worth taking a risk for ...

I think at that point I would have swerved over to avoid the imaginary pothole in the road.

I'll be damned if I'd be forced into altering my life to accommodate jerk-offs.

Jeez. How brave are you, anyway? I'd gladly "alter my life" to save it!

:eyes:

Fuck them assholes.

Yeah, I'd have swerved and given them the fucking scare of their lives..

Yes, I had a cell phone. I also had an errand to run and was in no time in danger from these people. What would I have told the cops?

But, hey, you're not me. I'm sure you would have swerved and knocked one of the stupid wannabe bikers over. Yes, I have no doubt. You're a lot tougher than me, I'm certain.

For Jebus sake!

It's just soo much easier to remove the political statement from your car and knuckle-under pressure from goons.

Do what you want.

Damned if I'd do it.

It is not the car I normally drive. It's my wife's car. Take your false bravado somewhere else. It's of no use in this thread. And do not attack me, please. That's not polite at all.

You're the one putting targets on YOUR WIFES car.

If it were MY CAR. I wouldn't take it off.

But you do want you want.

She's not a street fighter, though. Up until now, no situation arose over the stickers. Once it did, I acted to help protect her. I left the Wellstone sticker on, though.

Protect your wife. If that means taking off the stickers than do it.

I hate these MFing knuckledraggers.

I do as I please. Her Wellstone sticker is still on the car, as is the Franken sticker. The Veterans for Obama sticker was mine.

But, again, thanks for your well-considered advice. I'll take it into consideration before I do anything else. Honest I will...

:rofl:

Don't be lecturing others about the importance of being out there with your stripes showing when you won't even tell fellow liberals anything about yourself.

:shrug:

i'd gladly finish it.

So, I'm supposed to drive in a dangerous way that might injure someone? No, thanks. I have other things to do. I drove on and took the exit I meant to take. I was not intimidated by them, since I'm more than aware that people on motorcycles who screw around with cars are being foolish.

I see it as a symptom. I'm reacting to that symptom.

My wife drives that car more than I do, and she's not as well equipped as I am to deal with a rowdy crowd.

As I said above, I'll do what I see fit to do, and recommend that you do the same, according to your particular lights.

Why should they get any sympathy if doing so leads to an accident.

They did nothing but gesture and holler. Why should I subject myself to an dangerous action? You're doing the "Let's you and him fight" nonsense here. You were not there. I was. I chose what to do based on the circumstances and damaging my vehicle and injuring a moron was not the appropriate action for this situation.

I liken the suggestion that I behave in a dangerous and illegal way to those who tell people that they should take up arms against the "enemy," even though they have no intention of doing so themselves.

I posted the OP to let people know that there are morons out there who may engage in certain actions if provoked by something as simple as a bumper sticker.

My reaction would have been quite different had they actually threatened me in some way. As I approached the left turn lane I planned to take, I caught the attention of the guy who was flanking me on the left site and pointed to the left to let him know I planned a turn. Clever lad, he backed off. My turn signal let the others know my intentions.

You do as you think proper in such a situation. Do not imply that I should do anything other than I choose to do or be a coward. You do not know me.

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are told to "sod off". Looks like a quest for validation. What makes you think you can tell people at a message board to "sod off" (and why not just use the American form of "Fuck off" rather than some quaint out of place Britishism?) when you let the actions of a few strangers on motorcycles dictate what kind of bumper sticker is allowed on your car? You're telling the wrong people to sod off, it should have been those bikers. Also, since your wife drives the car most of the time, ask her whether she wants to remove the sticker to kowtow to the will of some freeper bikers? Maybe she has more nerve than you.

I deleted the same expression in another message. Attacks are not polite, and I regret making that one.

But, I appreciate your thoughtful advice more than I can say. Really. You've been very helpful today. I defer to your superior progressivism. :sarcasm:

said "a bunch of wannabe bikers, compensating for their low testosterone levels...."

Might have hit too close to home.

Well, aren't you macho today, JVS!

http://www.smh.com.au/ffximage/2006/07/20/village_people_narrowweb__300x254,0.jpg

This thread has gone from zero to testosterone in nothing flat. lol

isn't called machismo, but pointing out that she could very well have a different opinion on the matter is. If respecting a woman's right to choose what her bumper says is Macho, then it's a label I'm proud to carry.

Respect, my granny.

for her own safety. Take that up with the OP.

Predictable.

It was the OP that uses the fact that she drives the car to help explain why he has removed the stickers. I don't see how that constitutes me hiding behind her.

as one of the reasons he should remove the stickers

You then tell him that his wife has more guts than he has.

When you are called on your ham fisted bulleria, you cite the lady and claim you are respecting the wishes of a woman you don't even know.

Does any of that strike you as believable?

Yes, you are hiding behind the OP's wife.

wannabe bikers. The way the OP added his wife's safety into the story almost as an afterthought in post #6 saying "My wife drives that car more than I do, and she's not as well equipped as I am to deal with a rowdy crowd." and got very defensive when I said that the bikers "attempted to intimidate" (note, attempted) and insisted that he wasn't intimidated and then going on to make two personal attacks that have been deleted makes me suspect his wife was brought into this to further rationalize his decision to yield to the bikers and remove the stickers.

by telling him his wife is braver than he is. I guess in Testosterone World, that makes sense of some kind.

:bounce:

:rofl: Now you're trying to justify this shit? Who wouldn't get "defensive" about this pathetic pileon full of peepeehead taunting. FAIL

:rofl: "If respecting a woman's right to choose what her bumper says........"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AO43p2Wqc08

This thread is just :wow:

the caliber of the weenies who attack women here. :think:

:bounce: :bounce:

You seem to be overcompensating for something in your anger over something that's really none of your business. What he does with his bumper stickers is really no one else's business. You act as if he insulted you personally which shows that it's you who have a problem

More macho bullshit. ALWAYS ABOUT THE DAMN GONADS, isn't it?

You seem obsessed with them.

:rofl:

You are just so fucking SCARED that you want to remove any bumper stickers that SOMEBODY might object to...

but that's not being "intimidated"...

...gotcha...

At least be UPRIGHT enough to ADMIT THE OBVIOUS as an anonymous poster!

I don't think it's worth the damage to my nice car from some asshole so I no longer put any stickers on my car either - but I don't claim I'm not "intimidated", either...

They should be "upright"!



:rofl:

http://media.digikey.com/photos/NKK%20Switches%20Photos/G3T12AP,%20G3T13AP.jpg

on my website, along with my photo. I'm not anonymous. I have a screen name here. You wanna know my name. Click on my website link.

I have no sympathy for anyone... except the person they are harassing.

The OP was harassed by some hooligans.


It's all sad, really. I see cars with bumper stickers on them and I don't play these lame-butt games. And I disagree with plenty of them too. Back when I did the bumper sticker thing, some people were real toiletheads... I didn't need or want the harassment any longer either...

"Swerve and take out three or four of 'em! Maim 'em, that'll get 'em to back off!"

"Don't be a coward! Every time you remove a bumper sticker, a liberal has to eat shit!"

I'm with you, MineralMan -- why incite the crazies for such minimal gain, especially when it could place others in harm's way, those who are less capable of defending themselves?

Support for progressive politicians and causes is accomplished with far greater effect, and far less chance of your being blindsided by a whackjob, if we act in concert with others -- and with far greater personal reward, too, I might add. At least then you'll see immediate return from your effort, and not be left instead on the side of the road, wondering mutely why someone vandalized your vehicle, or perhaps nursing an even greater injury.

As for the "warriors" among us. . . well, there's just nothing I can say and still remain civil.

but I will call authorities if need be. I have no qualms doing so. Hey, they can whine and bleat - I'll actually do something. Can't have it both ways, so I'm going to get involved.

I WILL question people potentially abusing handicap or other signs.

I WILL yell at dipshits using their cell phones in the parking lot. The day I nearly got hit - enough is god damn fucking enough. (How can I say this with sufficient emotional emphasis; I'm stark boiling mad at the sheer ineptitude of the modern day American.) Hell, 2 days ago I saw one van owner in the car park back into an SUV. Yuppers, the asinine cretin was mewling into his cell phone when he did his deed. Just bass-ackwards, people of today...

Even today, some ***** in a SUV parks in a "Prescription pickup only" slot and I wrote down the number while staring at the person because recognition of facial features and outfit were crucial. (I had gone to the store to pick up my prescription and saw this fool parking there and I just knew that person was abusing the system.)

When I got out of the store, 4 minutes later, I noted she had moved to another spot -- and she was nowhere near the prescription aisle. Oh, I could have been wrong about this person, in which case I would have apologized - but as the store has admitted on more than one occasion that there's little they can do if people abuse it, and they're not going to take down the signs, I WILL do my part to help ensure they are enforced for at least 2 sodding minutes during one day of one month. Especially if I'm going there for a prescription and know some slimeball is just going to abuse a system set up in good faith... I should have written down the licence plates from the other 4 vehicles and turned the bastards in; apart from me the prescription counter area was a freakin' desert with NOBODY there. People have no concept of being civilized anymore... they just don't. And automobile etiquette is both a facet AND a prime example, all at the same time.

Many people are just selfish, narcissistic toiletheads, unfortunately.

They should drive more defensively

You'd be the next national headline

Sheesh! I'm really surprised at some of the responses here. Oh, well...

:sarcasm:

Please think things through to all possible conclusions before making a silly and dangerous suggestion like that. So, the OP hits and dislodges a rider. What does he do then? Stop and offer assistance (which is the law here)? Take off at high speed with the rest of the riders in pursuit?

Yah, great suggestion.

:bounce: :bounce:

You never know what people are going to react to, so better not to provoke something.

I only have one sticker on my car and it's one of those electrostatic "stickers" on the inside of the back window (for a spiritual online radio station.) If I ever get any grief over it, I'll likely take it off, though I might put it back after a few months :)

I choose my battles carefully. Random negative interaction with morons is not my normal plan of action.

YOU choose the battles. Not the other way around. Any you win by being SMART, not an idiot getting caught up in some pissing contest where you get sued or arrested for some stupid thing that you got intimidated into doing.

Everyone be careful - STAY SMART.

I'll leave them to their own actions.

Could be your new sigline....... :spray:

:rofl: Thanks for the lucidity and the laughs.

in fact, I don't have any bumper stickers, or didn't*, because I live in a very conservative area full of neoLibertarians.

* I put a yellow ribbon "Support Our Troops, Bring Them Home" on my car when my nephew entered his final stage of training prior to his deployment to Afghanistan.

Apparently there are several here who want to give me non-sensible advice. "Let's you and him fight," they seem to be saying. I expected better from responses to this cautionary tale. Thanks for being one of the sensible ones.

You know, Obama is a failure because he hasn't snapped his fingers and accomplishes a bazillion things in 5 months. Too damn many threads about Palin and Letterman (who fucking cares?) and other insignificant matters. I just use the hide button and avoid the bull crap.

I know we all want to wear our loyalties on our sleeves -- but not when our personal safety and that of our families is at risk. It's not worth it.

I decided a long time ago I was never going to apply any bumper stickers or logos of any kind to any car I ever owned. When I bought a new car from dealership, I made them take off their dealer "advertisement" before I signed off on the car. I did it because I have never liked cluttering up my car with that sort of crap. I even hate I have to have parking stickers for my job and apartment on the windshield. The side effect these days is you don't have to worry about a confrontation with some road rage idiot.

I'm not going to advertise for a company --- if they want their name on my car they can pay me a fee. I admit to a Chicago Bears license plate frame though, along with the yellow ribbon.

When I need to have a parking permit, I get the hang tags so I can remove them. I want to be anonymous --don't want people being able to figure out where I live, work, go to school, etc. for security reasons. There are a lot of crazy people out there.

All the middle age Harley riders I've ever known were Republicans. They're usually affluent people engaging in a last ditch attempt to retain their youth. They are totally self absorbed, pretentious and shallow. Above all they are cowards. They would never do anything that would risk their stations in life. Material possessions are much too important to them to risk losing it to an act of violence. Why would they? The have the fundie extremists and the racists to do their dirty work. Sure they might mouth off but when it comes to putting up or shutting up, they usually keep going right on down the road.

fucked them and other members of their gang over. ;-)

are so stupid. I suspect that none of the people who suggested that would have done it themselves. But, hey...

I can say with some certainty, that depending on my mood (I'm a menopausal woman with no sense of humor for fools who want to intimidate because they disagree with my bumper sticker), I may not have hesitated to confront them in some way. In the past, I have stopped my car and gotten out and threatened a man when he continuously cut me off and I grew tired of it. I slammed on my breaks, stopped at the light, got out of my car and asked him if he wanted to die right there and then. I told him if he cut me off one more time, his life was going to end. Other times, When being followed, I've driven straight to the nearest police department,

You are right, you have to choose your battles carefully. Only you can determine whether or not the risk of confronting them is worth it. If you feel that the risk of violence due to ones political views has become so much of a problem in your area that you have to remove your stickers, then who am I to judge?

I mean, look, it's your car, your call. Everyone should be smart when it comes to personal safety, and everyone has their own comfort level. For instance, I got an unlisted phone number after strangers began calling me out of the blue to "comment" (mostly favorably, but still) on some LTTEs I wrote, before the internet, back in the day.

But I didn't stop writing them.

Just remember, you are letting someone else dictate that you stop expressing your opinion openly. Don't take that lightly.

my perceptions of benefits and risks.

As usual, people who don't know me from Adam are telling me who I am and what I must do. Silliness. They're doing the same thing the bikers were doing. That's just stupid.

You posted the story here, to a bunch of people that don't know you from Adam. What did you expect? Furthermore I haven't seen any attempt to intimidate you into changing your behavior on this thread, which is what your bikers did. How you imagine the situations to be analogous is beyond me.

Bumper stickers on a car are a form of free speech. A group of men on motorcycles expressed their displeasure with what you had to say and as a result you took them off. In effect, you expressed an opinion, they said "shut up", and you said "OK". Perhaps you feel that's simply a sane course of action but don't refuse to acknowledge that that is what happened. A group of bikers cowed you into squelching yourself. If you can look into the mirror and live with that then fine but don't lie to yourself to make it more palatable. It is what it is.

It is what it is.

And actually you'd get the same reaction in a pub. "Why I'd swerve right into those sums a-bitches" and "Nobody scares me gotdamit!" is exactly what I expect from both places. The only difference is in a pub I can go out in the parking lot and see if the cowboy tough guy puts his bumper stickers where his mouth is at.

:applause:

Like I said. Your car, your call.

for a bumper sticker.

that looks like this:







and then you could put whatever stickers you wanted on it

...not sure how you get in and out of it though...

Hmm...

It's a scene from the Peter Weir movie "The Cars That Ate Paris" (as in Paris, Australia.)

Somewhere in Houston is the Armadillamobile, too :D

I've gotten yelled at for the blue handicap hang tag that lets me park close to the entrances of stores. I've been accused of taking advantage of tax-payers (as though I'm not one!). One particularly lovely gentleman loudly berated me when he saw that my groceries were purchased with food stamps. A couple of my disabled friends won't park in handicap spaces any more, seeing as how they were followed and mugged by some thugs who figured correctly that their victims couldn't couldn't chase them to get their wallets back. There are bullies everywhere.

Our local DA said, at a public event last summer, that the greatest hazards facing our community are "criminals and liberals." This isn't an area that welcomes non-Republicans. I fully understand that some people choose not to make themselves targets, especially those who need to protect family members. But I'm 61, and I'm done with letting anyone intimidate me into silence. I carry a cane, and I've already told one pseudo-man that the cane is on a hair trigger. When I put Obama stickers on my car I was aggressively tailgated by thugs who were so busy flipping me off that they didn't notice that they'd followed me into the parking lot of the police station.

Way not to take any bullshit!

but I suspect they piddled themselves as they pretended to have made a wrong turn and left very slowly.

:rofl: :pals:

Nobody deserves that. Please, park in your handicap spots and tell your friends to do the same. If you have those tags, it's because you need them and that's what why we have those spots. The same goes for food stamps. Regardless of why you have/need them - it's nobody's business. You're right - bullies are everywhere and just like when we were kids, they target those they view as weaker - in this case older and/or diabled people. I only hope that karma reveals their errors to them.

Take care of yourself and watch out for the crazies!

I had some stupid redneck creeps following me and they were so hopped up on whatever had melted their brains they followed me right into part of the parking lot ONLY for police cars. Some big damn policeman were out there too (thank god) - next thing I knew 3 of the creeps were on the ground in hand cuffs and all the seats, the headliner and everything else was being pulled out of their car and I was being asked if I needed any help to get home safely.

"I've already told one pseudo-man that the cane is on a hair trigger."

"pseudo-man" :spray:



:rofl: "When I put Obama stickers on my car I was aggressively tailgated by thugs who were so busy flipping me off that they didn't notice that they'd followed me into the parking lot of the police station."
:yourock: :kick:

lol

:applause:

I have a 20yo friend who uses a wheelchair to get around because of shaken-baby syndrome and scoliosis who was raped by one of those kid of evil bastards, may they all rot in Hell!!!

car, and they, on their Harleys, wanted to censure you on your lack of patriotism.

Tell them there are bikers driving agressively, and you fear your life. Take down their license plate numbers and relay them to the police.

People are getting out of hand. I don't blame you for not wanting to be a target.

Just saying :shrug:

Taking that into consideration, I think OP did the right thing.

If you're in enemy territory there is no shame in keeping your head down.

;-)

slamming on the brakes would be a good start. you can't get in trouble for stopping for a stray dog you saw in the road- and if someone was following too closely for safety- that's THEIR problem.

Oh, sorry for my Britishism. So far, I've managed to avoid killing anyone in my life, and I'd like to keep it that way. That's a winger nutcase trick. I prefer to avoid violent conflict so I can continue to advocate.

..is to Find your Wife....Buy a Machine Gun...Have your wife "man" the Machine Gun while you drive..
...looking for aging Punks (on Motorcycles) to Blow Away. LOL!

:)

a .38 and the 12 ga. Shoots the pistol better than I do. Since she's a few years younger than me, her hand is steadier.

And yet, I think I'll pass on the machine gun turret on the old Volvo. Not very aerodynamic.

By the Gross Vehicle Weight Rule, no motorcycle poses a real threat unless the rider is armed.

I don't run people over or drive too fast for conditions.

On the way home from shopping a couple of hours ago I came upon the scene of a collision. My friend had been driving her Chevrolet Aveo. She saw someone in an Acura backing out of a driveway and not watching where he was going. She tried to stop in order to avoid hitting him. He managed to back into her.

Damage to Acura: Minimal bumper thrash
Damage to Chevy: Serious front-end damage. No fluid leakage but the unibody is obviously tweaked.

If it had been me in my friend's place, the Acura would not have fared so well against my Pathfinder, and unlike my friend I would not be suffering from a neck injury.

perhaps onto a small child or a wannabe biker.

It's called responsible driving.

All vehicles have blind spots, and all vehicles have physical limits for safe turn speeds. A good driver knows how to manage his or her vehicle safely. You're just trying to berate me for my choice of vehicle, while assuming incorrectly that all SUVs share a common set of safety deficiencies. I think that's kind of juvenile.

You seem to be looking for a fight. I hope you find one.

Go figure.

:rofl:

:yourock:

:hi:

I make numerous right and left turns in mine every day, at the same speeds other vehicles are going, and haven't come anywhere near tipping over yet.

It's certainly true that SUV rollover accidents are more common than rollovers of regular passenger cars, but so are rollovers of any high profile vehicle including vans and commercial trucks. The problem with SUVs is usually a combination of an inexperienced driver and excessive speed.

_I_ don't drive like that.

:hi: I'm sorry :blush: that thread got so ridiculous, I was pulling your leg (and meant every word) :spray: :thumbsup:

:evilgrin:

:thumbsup: and be CAREFUL!! :spray:

sometimes I like to show who I support politically and other times I like to just blend in to the scenery, if you're out by yourself it dosen't make sense going up against a bunch of guys on mototcyles, or even someone who might be carrying a gun. I also try to keep my cell phone close by, for calling the cops and let them handle it, that's what they get paid for!

:spray:

I'd put more bumper stickers on if I were you.

Carry a gun, and when someone tries to threaten you, you show them your friend Mr.smith and wesson. I'm sure that will shut their ass up.

like that? Can we read about you in the paper somewhere?

lol

ooog booga.

If you understood the rules of CCW, you'd understand that you don't use your weapon to "show" people. It has one single use: to protect yourself or another from immediate risk of bodily harm. What you're talking about is brandishing. It's a good way to lose your permit.

I guess you don't have one or you'd know that.

"...and if some bunch off aholes on motorcycles mess with you, run 'em over. That's what insurance is for."

I'm certain he didn't give my brother this advice. He was worried about his daughter being harassed (or worse) by a biker gang...

He also issued such pearls as "NEVR get ina van with a guy -- vans are just beds on wheels!" and "If a Harvey (Il.) cop with his lights & siren on, get off the road. Ditch if you have to, because they WILL hit you." Daddy's bodyshop did all the Harvey PD's repairs.

Doubt this advice (lol) will help.

If they box you in, slam on your brakes. How hard and for how long is your call.

but not every man really lives.

I say put the sticker back on! Take one for the team!

Not really...:hide:

:rofl:

Ain't that the truth! :toast:

Do what you think is best.

show a little backbone, dude.

How are they "prevailing"?

And while you're at it, why don't you regale us with your spine stiffening exploits?



Damn, I thought my generation put this cr@p to bed.

the oligarch's do.

and weak-kneed shrinking violets who are afraid to stand up for what they believe in is a big part of the reason that 'the people' keep getting trampled by the corporati.

but as long as you're happy about the current state of affairs...:eyes:

that would make the OP's choice to put himself in harm's way for no reason make sense.

:hi:

:eyes:

i can see how someone who never does it could see it as something special and note-worthy, but i don't even think about it- i just live my life without being lily-livered about every little thing that occurs...:shrug:

ETA I'm sorry but I can remember every time I was at physical risk and I bet most people can.

Maybe you should tone it down until you can figure out what besides your keyboard is behind your language.

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besides type. :hi:

that you somehow view as 'at personal risk', and how you're BOTH metaphors to exactly why our eunuch party is no longer able to make substantial gains, or even hold the ground we've already taken.

"at personal risk"...:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: thanks for the chuckle- i can't help but snicker whenever i think that line back over...pa-thetic.

Except I'm a girl. But if I was a guy, that's just how I would look! Not!

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So, you're saying that I'm chickenshit? Is that really what you think? Here's a French phrase: C'est pour rire.

You live your life. I'll live mine.

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After all, you ARE a VETERAN, aren't you? I for one thank you for your service to this country! :patriot:

troop.

That can push around my multi-ton vehicle. I would f**ken run over any motorcyclist that tries to impose his will
upon me.

I didn't want to get into any brawls or confrontations. I'm really bad at that - I just love a good fight. Just immature I guess.

for @ssholes when you don't stand to win anything, really.

Like with that camera. :)

But he's not "compensating for low testosterone levels" like these jokers. :rofl:

What're they gonna do - force my 3000 lb car into a ditch? They'd be dead bikers if they tried anything that stupid.

I don't do bumper stickers, but - and I don't care why - if I see reckless driving on the road, I'll call. It's a good thing I don't drive often, but without any police in the area, it's all one can do if somebody is acting petty on the road like how those bikers were... if it looks like a serious situation, I'll use it.)

With luck they got drunk, ran into a tree, and humanity is spared their stupidity forevermore.

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You don't happen to know what sort of bikes they were riding, do you? I'm an avid motorcyclist and I have a theory about certain models of Harleys... haha.

putting bumper stickers of who you support can bring unwanted attention, which is why I never put them on my car.

.. just a thought

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coward herein -- worked with predators in the wild, dived with hordes of sharks and the occasional lawyer, kung fu dude, ride my Ninja motorsickle at insane speeds even before I shift out of neutral, jumped the Mississippi in a single bound and kilt me a b'ar when I was only three, and so on and so forth -- and I heartily add my support to your decision being the right thing. Not that you need it because -- duh -- multiple vehicular homicide is not too proper a response to the behavior you were subjected to, no matter that in a perfect world these wastes of DNA's DNA would not be wasted or would be rapidly recycled into more useful forms. Also, you might have dented or scratched your car on those bikes as they fell beneath the crushing onrush of your wheels, and that would have sucked even more.

To be honest, I might have WANTED to kill them all, but I wouldn't have and, yes, in this situation I'd almsot certainly have removed the stickers -- they're just not worth it, not even if you were the sole user of the vehicle. I don't know why some here seem to have such a problem with all of this. Pick your battles, and all that, for one thing.

I never have bumper stickers on my cars, largely because I don't like the affront to the car's finish, but if I was prone to adding them I'd not likely get political if only because it could well inflame some cowardly f*** to deface my car when it was unattended, which'd be a pretty pointless piece of expensive damage. Further, I've been victim of some pretty bad road rage and you never know what might set such psychos off. Yeah, I know the type of 'rider' you're referring to, all too well...safe bet that if you'd caught up with them and faced off against one of them -- unlikely, because in true Sturmabteilung style (see also Flies, Lord of, and a great many other precedents fictional and all too real) they are the type of vermin who stick together with the gang mentality compensating for their own individual lack of bravery or integrity. Provoking them is a waste of time, and answering their provocations is usually destined to be the same or worse. Now, if I'm wearing a political or similar T-shirt and someone calls me on it with belligerence on display, well that's a different story....they usually won't, though, those kind, because the T-shirt's naturally rather close to my body and one look at the scalps I usually have hanging from my belt -- those of my most recent antagonists -- usually deter further comment.

Come to think of it, those types of people have rather a lot in common with keyboard stormtroopers, including some who've made ugly guest appearances in your thread, who won't take any BS from the Man, or his minions (some DUers are mirrors of FreakRepublic nutcases in this respect), and who'd show them a thing or two if only they had a chance to be in the shoes of a sniveling little coward like you, me, and the rest of us. Boo-yah.

Some old dead dude named Aristotle -- not that he'd know anything, having spent his time poncing about in a toga -- said it pretty well:

"The coward calls the brave man rash, the rash man calls him a coward."



Aesop concurs: "It is easy to be brave from a safe distance."



I agree with both of them, and with you.






There're some stupid people in this forum. There're a lot more obnoxious ones, though.

It AIN'T coming off.

Fuck 'em.

My Dad is a Repub and last year during the election he was at a supermarket parking lot and there was a group that turned about to be to the left..He had a Republican party of Texas shirt on..they started yelling at him and cursing him out about Bush and Mccain...he did not respond, and got in his car..they then threw eggs from their groceries at the car

Just goes to show, there are some crazies on both sides of the party lines and they make all of us who live and breathe politics look bad.

I might even take off my "Republicans Suck Donkey Dick" sticker.

But seriously, if I were you I'd take it off too.

I had one guy a few months ago that was screwing with me big time and I have no idea what I did to set him off.