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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:40 PM
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Christian Right picks up a new enemy... Grover Norquist
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 07:42 PM by ck4829
There has been some discussion lately of the bubbling tension within the Republican Party's base between the fiscal conservatives and the social conservatives. Frankly, this tension has always existed but only tends to surface when the GOP is out of power and the two sides are wrangling for influence, with the fiscal conservatives claiming that the social conservatives' focus on culture war issues is driving away potential Republican voters while the social conservatives claim the the only reason the GOP is even a viable party is because of the loyalty of the Religious Right base.

Grover Norquist undoubtedly comes down on the fiscal conservative side and so it's no surprise to see him sit down with Dan Gilgoff to offer the social conservatives a little "tough love":


(Religious Right) leaders sometimes who announce that they want to make everybody be one religion or make everybody think one way ... Some religious right leaders do that, acting as if everybody of their faith persuasion votes on their command, which is insulting, not true, and ridiculous. They shouldn't talk like that.

...

James Dobson made some comment that 40 percent of the votes for George W. Bush in 2004 came from evangelical Protestants, therefore you owe the presidency to us and you need to do what we want. It's missing why they voted for Bush. They didn't vote for him because they're evangelical Protestants. They voted for Bush because they wanted to be left alone in their faith and family commitments, which are evangelical Protestant. But the orthodox Jews and the Muslims who voted for Bush voted for the same reason, so you can't go to Bush and say, "Govern as a Baptist."


As for the issue of marriage equality, Norquist refused to say whether he supports it, saying simply that he hasn't focused on it and saying that the government shouldn't even be involved in the marriage business anyway:


Churches, synagogues, and mosques should write marriage contracts, and the state should enforce contracts. You shouldn't have sacraments organized, managed, and defined by the states.

Communities of faith ought to be into denationalizing marriage, just as I want to denationalize healthcare and education, rather than trying to get the federal government to run the post office correctly or manage marriage correctly.


Of course, "denationalizing marriage" is exactly what the Religious Right doesn't want because it could lead to states granting marriage rights to same-sex couples, which is why they are insisting on the need for a federal marriage amendment.

http://rightwingwatch.org/content/norquist-religious-right-stop-whining
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:41 PM
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1. They better be careful, he'll drown them in a bathtub
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:52 PM
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4. Norquist should also watch himself
or they'll be dunking him in a river
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existentialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:21 PM
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10. irreverent joke
Some local Baptists were going down to the river for a Baptism.

Freddy, an old town drunk who had never been particularly religious suddenly expressed interest, and asked to go and be baptized.

Everyone was surprised, but Freddy insisted, and what is any good evangelical Baptist to do other than to accept a new convert.

So they got to the river and Freddy went out into the water and they dunked him. Then they let him up and they asked if he had seen Jesus.

Freddy said "No" so they dunked him again, and held him down a bit longer. Then they again let him up, and asked him if he had seen Jesus.

Freddy said "No" so they dunked him again, and held him down until when they did let him up Freddy was really gasping for air. Again they asked him if he had seen Jesus.

Freddy, gasping for air said: "No, but I've got a question."

OK, so they asked him what was his question, and Freddy said:

"ARE YOU SURE THAT THIS IS WHERE HE FELL IN?"
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:37 PM
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12. That one always gets me laughing! Thanks! nt
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JHB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:59 PM
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7. I think it's him that has to worry about taking a bath...
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 08:00 PM by JHB
GN's biggest source of infhuence has been using his weekly con-fabs to help keep the conservative movemnt(s) united and focused on destroying the Democrats. If the strains and rifts have become so strong and deep that he can't do that anymore, then he's JAFL: just another f***ing lobbyist.

Here's to hoping that Norquist wakes up with what he dserves for lying down with dogs for so long.

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47of74 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:44 PM
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2. Give 'em long enough and they'll trip on their own words.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:47 PM
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3. Let's hope they continue to fight amongst themselves for the next four years.
The fiscal conservatives can blame the religious right and vice versa. Their infighting will drive away any rational potential voters, I hope.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:57 PM
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5. Yes! Let them wage war with each other. It will distract them
and annoy voters who are on the fence. It's all good.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 07:59 PM
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6. Well there was never much love there


When asked by Washington, D.C.-based journalist Dave Sperry if he had converted to his wife's faith, Norquist brushed the question off as "too personal".<29> She is an ethnic Palestinian and a muslim.
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LostInAnomie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:04 PM
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8. "They voted for Bush because they wanted to be left alone in their faith and family commitments..."
Nope. They voted for Bush because they wanted to force their bullshit on the rest of the country. They thought he could force their agenda through.

Fuck them, and fuck Grover.
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Fovea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:11 PM
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9. While the old wide stance coalition plays
Let's you and him fight
I will watch and make useful suggestions.
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muntrv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:41 PM
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11. Someone call Vince McMahon! I see a cage ring match at Wrestlemania!
:popcorn:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:39 PM
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13. A 100-mile-wide wedge is being driven right through the heart of the GOP...
...and the country will be the better for it.
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