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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:47 PM
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Great pics from Iran, via BBC:
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Merryweather Donating Member (163 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:54 PM
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1. I love our news here in the UK
They actually focus on important issues whether they're happening in or outside the UK. We've been getting really good coverage of the uprising in Iran.

So much better than what I've seen of the American news channels (we get them too via Sky)
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WannaJumpMyScooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 08:55 PM
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2. funny, CNN just told me that
Tehran was a city "going on with it's business"

huh

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leeroysphitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:21 PM
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5. Remain calm. All is well.
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rainbow4321 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:29 PM
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8. Uh-huh....and those kids at Tehran Univ are just heading off to class
well, except maybe the ones who have been beaten, wounded, or arrested/disappeared throughout the night while their dorms were raided...

http://twitter.com/Change_for_Iran



http://search.twitter.com/search?q=%23CNNfail
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:35 PM
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10. schoolbooks and Molotov cocktails in hand.....
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:01 PM
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14. Polisci students all, specializing in deconstruction... (nt)
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timeforpeace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:15 PM
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3. MSM: Nothing to see here, move along.
Supports the meme that President Obama doesn't need to speak about this, right? How convenient. No need to upset the mullahs. They might get mad and build a nuke or something if he did.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:17 PM
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19. You may not have noticed but the US isn't exactly popular there
Probably even among a lot of the protesters.

See there was this whole thing with the US toppling a democratically elected government and putting in a repressive regime for about 20 years or so. Apparently some people are still a little sensitive about this in Iran. Crazy I know, it's not like the US army is on 2 of their borders.

If Obama takes a bushian ham fisted approach it could actually push people away from the reform movement.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:13 PM
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23. Britian played a role too in operation Ajax
I don't see the same hatred of the British that I do of the US.

The youth there, to my knowledge, are a bit more pro-western. I would say a good deal of the anti-american sentiment is just anti-bush sentiment.
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comrade snarky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:42 PM
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25. Brittan was involved
From what I understand but the CIA and the USA get the blame.
Our support of the Shah over the years may have helped cement the publics opinion, I'm honestly not sure why the UK gets a pass. Maybe because after the revolution and hostage crisis and we openly backed and armed Iraq in that ugly war.

I'm just worried that being a bit more pro-western is still a long way away from wanting US intervention in internal Iranian politics. I don't want to see this screwed up because of more cowboy diplomacy. Luckily that's much less likely these last 6 months or so.

If we can help open Iran it's got to be subtle. If we come on strong it could open a lot of old wounds and inflame the opposition.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:17 PM
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4. Once those women start wearing jeans and sneakers under
the black shroud, it's O.V.E.R.

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spindrifter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:22 PM
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6. They have been for years.
In Afghanistan, too. The fashion statement isn't quite enough.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:28 PM
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7. Yep. But this is one of the first times
those images has made it to our media.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:32 PM
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9. No it isn't. (nt)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:36 PM
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11. What are you disagreeing with?
lol

Iirc, the images of jeans and burkas I've seen were all on Link documentaries or Mosaic reports. Maybe I should have spent more time watching Cr@p Not News. Who knew.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:00 PM
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13. The entirety of your post #7? I've seen the jeans/burka thing for years. (nt)
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:08 PM
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17. Right and people who have been paying attention
are also hip to illicit girls schools and to underground beauty parlors in Taliban Afghanistan.

CNN doesn't put those images out. Disagree with that and have a good night.
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Posteritatis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:16 PM
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18. I sure will, 'cause I've seen it there too
Without even looking for it actively either.

God, some peoples' blinders...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:23 PM
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20. I'll forward your comment to my RAWA friends.
lol
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 07:07 AM
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29. It's come and gone, depending on the president
For instance, from Time (ie as mainstream in the US as you can get):

The Creeping Restrictions in Iran
By AZADEH MOAVENI/TEHRAN Thursday, Aug. 24, 2006

There is nothing new about the restrictions themselves. They were the grim reality of life here before the 1997 election of the liberalizer Mohammad Khatami. The difference today is the sporadic and velvet-gloved implementation of the old codes. Instead of announcing new bans or dispatching morality police onto the streets of Tehran to harass and arrest young people — the crude, classic measures that fomented much anger and discontent — the system is employing more subtle means that seek to make Iranians themselves, instead of uniformed agents of the state, the enforcers.

So discreet is this steady creep toward Talibanism that it only hit me last week, after a visit to the beauty salon. Usually, framed photos of coiffed brides adorn the walls, but I arrived to find the coffee-colored walls blank, save a clinical advertisement for fungus-fighting nail polish. Authorities had raided the salon two weeks prior, declaring images of unveiled women illegal and demanding they be taken down. In Iran, women's hair salons are off limits to men anyway, so it makes little sense why photos of coiffed women should be banned in a room full of women getting their hair coiffed.

Of course, in the spectrum of ways the clerics can oppress women and restrict their rights, this is perhaps not the most alarming. What is worrisome is the shift of focus. Under Khatami, the state relaxed many of its most repressive codes, especially those aimed at restricting women's access to public space and discouraging their participating in civic life. Women's singing, for example, banned for years after the revolution became permissible in group ensembles. But the sort of mentality that seeks to ban images of women typically wants also to control and restrict women's place in public life. At a recent concert in the town of Sari, the female members of Iran's only non-government orchestra were asked to play from behind a black curtain. They have been disinvited from an upcoming concert in northwestern Iran altogether.

There have been other warning signs, of course. But until that day at the beauty salon, I had ignored any hint of a return to 7th-century mores, preferring to savor a few extra weeks of denial before the government-issued burqa arrived at my doorstep. A month ago I met a few girlfriends for coffee at a caf� popular with young people. Upon lighting a cigarette, one of them was informed by the embarrassed owner that smoking is now illegal for women in caf�s. Now half the women I know don't go out for coffee anymore. An ingenious way of stifling Tehran's bustling caf� scene without resorting to a single raid.

That same week, I showed up at the gym wearing the standard uniform of young, urban Iranian women: a veil, short coat and jeans. The receptionist told me the authorities had also paid them a visit; unless their women patrons started dressing more conservatively, the gym would be shut down. Again, the official warning was smoothly delivered via a civilian intermediary without ugly confrontation, and was perhaps even more effective for its underlying threat: if you don't dress the way we want, we will take away your ability to exercise. At the same time, authorities have targeted retailers of those popular short-coats, known as manteaus, and warned shop owners against stocking them. You still see women in the street wearing their fashionable, clingy manteaus, but over two weeks it took real effort to find them in shops. The idea is to make life difficult enough for retailers that they stop selling the sinful frocks altogether.

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1333660,00.html
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 08:01 AM
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30. Yup. nt
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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:42 PM
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12. +1
The belief that Iranian women are normally clad in full-length burqas is only held by people who haven't been paying attention.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:05 PM
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15. I expressed no such belief. I noted that our media doesn't
forward those images. But, carry on.



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anigbrowl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:22 AM
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26. Not true; they do.
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:49 PM
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21. No, I've seen it many times, also. nt
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suffragette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:07 PM
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16. I remember quite awhile after the Shah was overthrown, an Iranian woman
was interviewed and she said that many Iranian women had worn the chador to protest having not been allowed to under the Shah's dictatorship.
She went on to say that they didn't realize at the time that the chadors would, in effect, be glued to their heads by becoming compulsory.

Looks like that glue is starting to lose its hold.

I really wish I could remember her name and find the exact quote, but it's been a long time.

It must have been terrible for people like her who revolted against a totalitarian regime only to find themselves in a theocracy that still denied them the freedom they wanted.

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Jack Sprat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:55 PM
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22. Thanks for these extraordinary pics.
The hopeful smile of the young girl in the street filled me with emotion. These are extraordinary young people, brave and full of hopeful anticipation of a better future for themselves.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:15 PM
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24. I love the pic of the emo kid in the yellow shirt
I think that one will probably make some major magazine covers.
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davepc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:26 AM
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27. and a times square billboard ad for Calvin Klien.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-15-09 03:39 AM
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28. LAKERS WIN!! LAKERS WIN!!
Oh.... sorry, wrong thread.
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