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sharesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:53 PM
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The Iranian unrest reminds me so much of the Tiananmen protests.
From Wikipedia's article on Tiananmen:

Impact on domestic political trends

The Tiananmen square protests dampened the growing concept of political liberalization in communist countries that was popular in the late 1980s; as a result, many democratic reforms that were proposed during the 1980s were swept under the carpet. Although there has been an increase in personal freedom since then, discussions on structural changes to the PRC government and the role of the Communist Party of China remain largely taboo.

Despite early expectations in the West that PRC government would soon collapse and be replaced by the Chinese democracy movement, by the early 21st century the Communist Party of China remained in firm control of the People's Republic of China, and the student movement which started at Tiananmen was in complete disarray.

(In Other Words, No Meaningful Change. Go Back to Class and Go Back to Your Job. To Hell With Getting Your Brains Beat In. Subvert Quietly. Quietly, Quietly, Subvert.)
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medeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:56 PM
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1. and almost to the day of anniversary n/t
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:56 PM
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2. Hopefully it will not end the same way.
Iran can hardly afford to make itself an international pariah.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:57 PM
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3. Like Sully has been saying: Tiananmen + twitter = Tehran.
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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 09:59 PM
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4. I don't think there is any comparison.
In the 1980's China was already making progress and had a lot more freedom than Iran. Look where China is today. The so called student movement in China did not change a thing.
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Billy Burnett Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:01 PM
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5. A lot like the Ukraine Orange revolution.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 10:02 PM by Billy Burnett
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution#Involvement_of_outside_forces

Each of these social movements included extensive work by student activists. The most famous of these was Otpor, the youth movement that helped bring in Vojislav Koštunica. In Georgia the movement was called Kmara. In Ukraine the movement has worked under the succinct slogan Pora ("It's Time"). Chair of Georgian Parliamentary Committee on Defense and Security Givi Targamadze, former member of the Georgian Liberty Institute, as well as some members of Kmara, were consulted by Ukrainian opposition leaders on techniques of nonviolent struggle. Georgian rock bands Zumba, Soft Eject and Green Room, which earlier had supported the Rose Revolution, organized a solidarity concert in central Kiev to support Yushchenko’s cause in November 2004.<14>

Activists in each of these movements were funded and trained in tactics of political organization and nonviolent resistance by a coalition of Western pollsters and professional consultants funded by a range of Western government and non-government agencies. According to The Guardian, these include the U.S. State Department and USAID along with the National Democratic Institute for International Affairs, the International Republican Institute, the Bilderberg Group, the NGO Freedom House and George Soros's Open Society Institute. The National Endowment for Democracy, a foundation supported by the U.S. government, has supported non-governmental democracy-building efforts in Ukraine since 1988.


Not to mention the Rose Revolution


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marybourg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:28 PM
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6. Reminds me of the Hungarian Uprising of 1956.
Edited on Sun Jun-14-09 10:28 PM by marybourg
too young to remember? read about it here. It was very poignant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1956_Hungarian_Revolution
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:34 PM
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7. Reminds me of the Soviet Coup attempt in August of 1991.... Mousavi playing the role of Yeltsin
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 10:39 PM
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8. i think Mousavi would have been the potential Gorbachev and that's why Mullahs got scared
at the thought of him winning. we needed a gorbachev before yeltson was able to take over.

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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-14-09 11:13 PM
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9. Not me
I remember Tiananmen as being peaceful and joyful, the Liberty statue being proudly displayed and people smiling as they gathered in the square. It didn't turn ugly until the government cracked down and it got very ugly very quickly. I watched it late one night when I got home from and evening shift and it reminded me so much of the shit that went down in the 70s when we were trying to get out of Vietnam and the right wingers and their hired thugs went after us that I watched it shaking and in a cold sweat.

To contrast, the mess in Iran started of angry with brickbats flying everywhere. Little was peaceful from the get go.

Only the crackdowns are dismal in their totalitarian sameness.
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