Should a Duly Elected President Whose Election is Not in Question Have Secrets?

DU'ers are defending the denial of release of the White House visitor log because, well, "* didn't release them!", along with other various rationalizations.

That's total bullshit to me. The fucking White House is MY HOUSE. It's yours, it's mine, it's OURS. No one should be able to deny us any record of who has entered, for any reason at all. I'm sick and tired of the schoolyard inspired "WELL THEY DID IT, WHY SHOULDN'T WE?". Anyone who enters certain parts of OUR HOUSE is subject to serious background checks on THE TAXPAYER DIME. They're entitled to security measures such as anti-aircraft missiles on the roof, and a whole host of other things.

IT'S MY FUCKING DIME.

I'm tired of hearing that my dime isn't worth the tinfiol it's covered with. If I, as an American Citizen, want to know who's walked in the hallowed halls of MY HOUSE, who could rightly deny me that right? My tax dollars fund its day to day operations, INCLUDING security.

Challenge: Tell me why I shouldn't be allowed to know WHO HAS WALKED THROUGH THE DOORS OF MY HOUSE, and why they where there? Good luck.

One simple question that requires simple yes or no answers...

Does the American Public have an inalienable right to know who walks through the doors of THEIR HOUSE and what the visitor's reason for visiting is?

The day we all thought would begin the era of TRANSPARENCY, aka NO SECRECY?

Was there ever an executive order MANDATING that the list of people who've visited the White House be held as a state secret? My name is on that list. Should it be secret?

Where's the transparency of a Unitary Executive?

But power, once it's tasted, is a hard thing to give up.

:hi: warned years ago it didn't matter who was #44 -- the U.E. in and of itself is bogus and dangerous.

If they can't be together under the White House roof, they will just sneak off and do it in the bushes, parking garages, by-the-hour hotel rooms, or vacant buildings.

So we'll just have him meet with that kind of sleaze in the White House, and keep the records secret. That way, he'll never be caught in a "by the hour" hotel room with someone he'd rather you not know he was meeting with in the first place.

Transparency we can believe in. I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up.

If the argument is the media will take any visitor and then associate his views onto the administration, then the solution should be to teach the American people how the media uses information outside of perspective to make unreal things real.

If that is the argument.

Then they are solving a problem with secrecy, which is a very old method, instead of solving it with learning, which is an upward spiral method.


Creating smears is so easy to do, I have seen it done before, heck I still see it done. Here are some easy ways to smear someone outside of perspective.

We all have seen political adds that correlate un-corrolateable events. That is how lack of perspective happens. People make links that are not a real view of some event.

Here are some easy ways people can smear someone, send a terrible person with terrible reputation into a place someone hangs out, have them sit down with the innocent person, take a picture of the guy shaking hands with him, then run it all over the news as if they are friends.

Pay a prostitute to seduce someone then make the claim the person visits prostitutes. Have a party and get a picture of some hot young person with an old famous person then spread that picture around.

And here is one from my very own life, it actually happened yesterday, no joking. A guy I just met was talking on the phone, he said he was talking to his sister and that she might want to come down to the tavern we were at. He hands me the phone, so I jokingly talking to her laughing and telling her to come to the bar. I give the phone back to him with a laugh, the guy then tells me the phone number he called was an escort service. LOL, no joke, happened last night at bar. Zing LOL

Anyway, the problem is that people can not make perspective exist in their own minds when someone with presumed authority (media) tells them something else. That is what people need to learn, perspective and the methods of smear.

We need to start breaking up the over-consolidated media NOW!

And if this "isn't possible", then it is also time now to put in public campaign financing too!

We need to stop the "band-aid solutions" when the patient's in critical condition!

when your at home 24 7?

I'm sure you can up the ante and come up with an even more ridiculous and immaterial example?

Yes, the people of the US have a right to know who the president receives at the White House.

And it's not his "home." It is the seat and residence of the elected executive under the US Constitution. He worked hard to get the office. No one forced him.

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Which is what the President does.

While I agree that there should be transparecy, I also think there are times it is appropriate to keep things secret. There aren't many instances that I think it is appropriate, but sometimes it is.

...Obama opens himself to criticism over who has access--the criticism that Bush dodged by suppressing the truth. I understand the Administration's desire not to concede on this point, but I cannot support it. My House, my business.