Chavez backs Ahmadinejad in dispute - "a terrible and unfounded smear campaign"

Chavez backs Ahmadinejad in dispute



Venezuela is siding with Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad following the country's disputed presidential election.

Mr Ahmadinejad's top rival, pro-reform candidate Mir Hossein Mousavi, alleged that last Friday's election was marred by fraud.

He is demanding new elections. Massive protests have brought hundreds of thousands of Mr Mousavi's supporters into the streets of Tehran.

Venezuela's foreign ministry issued a statement condemning what it called "a terrible and unfounded smear campaign" aimed at discrediting Iran's institutions and "stir up the political climate".

Prior to Friday's vote, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez praised Mr Ahmadinejad for defending the Islamic Revolution while boldly standing up to the United States.

The two leaders are close allies.

http://news.uk.msn.com/world/article.aspx?cp-documentid=148026826

Not that the anti-Ahmadinejad kool-aid drinkers here will admit that.

I *am* still on DU, right?

WTF?

or mis-informed...like they can't even consider the idea that their whole worldview might be cast into question.

The funny thing is that every paper in the world must subscribe to the same translating service because the translastion is generally the same across the board.

Pretty amazing when one stops to think about it.

outside his little circle, so we'll just have to trust that service until we find someone to tell us what he REALLY said. :eyes:

Anyone who doesn't appreciate his supposed benevolence is simply ignorant. Reality be damned!

That was a rhetorical question since the answer is obvious to me.

More typically sanctimonious pablum.

Please...keep serving up yourself as a willing prop that proves my earlier point.

Do your "books" tell you how Ahmadinejad is actually a good, upstanding fellow and those victims in the images above actually deserved it?

that you don't know anything about him other than what you heard on the news. If your opinion is based on truth, more power to you. If it is based on propaganda I find it a weak argument, as would anyone else.

Neither Ahmadinejad nor Mousavi had anything do with what you see in those pictures so they aren't relevant in any way other than trying to shock someone.

Enjoy your two minute hate.

It's not that hard to get into the heads of the pro-dictator fascists on DU.

"Does he hate Bush? Yes? He's OK then."

It's sad really. Truth is Hugo and Booosh are just flip sides of the same old rusty coin. "Smells like sulfur." What a clown.

He reads

You color in the pictures

:shrug:

Those aren't two gay men being hung in Iran. I know this because Ahmadinejad himself said that there are no homosexuals in Iran.

:sarcasm:

Even as Stalin tried to exterminate entire nationalities within the Soviet Union.

So,Chavez hated Bush."Come down here Mr. Danger,we'll show you something".
And Chavez loves Ahmedinejad.
But,the enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend.

I can think of three "heads of state" that hated Bush; Chavez,Ahmendinejad and Lil' Kim in North Korea.
They may like each other,you may like them too as allies in a sort of political/national
self hatred.I say fuck them all.

Did he fail to renew the license of your favorite TV station, perhaps.

Rigged elections and clampdowns on civil and human rights are OK, so long as you do not like Bush. You'd have done well in the Cold War.

Wow.

Wow is not the word I would use.

There may be another one, but let's hope not...

were announced almost 3 days before the official count was supposed to be announced?

And that the other candidates all lost in their home towns by massive margins?

I just want facts and apparently President Chavez chooses fantasy over reality such as yourself.

Oh wait, I just realized I had blocked you once before, and guess what? you will be blocked again! Weeee!!!

stop carrying the water for morons, okay? it's very unbecoming.

does *that* signify?

then there was the report that a leaked tally of the votes proved mousavi won.

but that cuts against the story that the votes were never counted.

truth is, none of us know the truth.

as opposed to the head of the supreme council announcing that someone won.

night and day.

We've already heard and read lots of reasons why the tally is very suspect.

Yet, where is the reasoning that it is 100% valid? I'm waiting. Please show me where it can logically be argued that the vote tally is accurate?

lol

Hugo thinks criticisms of the Iranian election are unfounded manufactured outrage promoted by outsiders, for the purpose of destabilizing the regime.

He should drop all these folks a twitter since I think they didn't get his memo.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x325830

on the official web site. Any competent bilingual person can verify it.

But, nice try.

anything amiss

I guess if Hugo believes it you'll fall in line

Israel wants to bomb the shit out of them. That's just one aspect of the regime that makes them not so fun to hang around with.

Ahmadinejad is as admirable as bushy or Netanyahu. pathetic to see anyone on DU cheering on that religious right wing buffoon. just pathetic, dear.

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*splash*

No, not really.

if he keeps up his anti-freedom dictatorial bullshit.

:thumbsup:

for anyone to check this story when we know what the American press does to the Chenis at every opportunity. :crazy:

I don't understand.

I was reading a really fascinating book on the A.Q. Khan network called "Shopping for Bombs". I can't remember the author's name off the top of my head, but he wrote a really good book. He spent awhile, of course, focusing on the motives of Khan, and I think one of his findings could shed some light on this aspect of Chavez' reasoning.

Khan supported the development of nuclear weapons by just about anybody, including North Korea. He helped make this possible by using the enormous amount of credibility he had within the Pakistani state to sell all kinds of components and knowledge to anybody who wanted it. One reason he supported the development of nuclear arms by all and sundry was because it would distract the western powers from his own program in Pakistan. The second reason was because he believed that nuclear development by countries such as Pakistan, Libya and North Korea would undermine the "arrogant" nuclear monopoly among major states. Khan felt that it was condescending of states such as the US, UK and France to tell any other state not to develop the kind of weapons they had. Thus, Khan felt that the development of nuclear weapons by any state would undermine the entire security regime of the west that Khan so hated, and he was happy to help in any way he could.

I think for Chavez and Ahmedinajad, the situation is similar. They both define themselves by their intense opposition, one might also say antagonism, toward the United States. Given their agreement on that crucial and huge point, they are birds of a feather regardless of all the other matters where they diverge. Therefore, it makes sense that they would support each other since they doubtlessly both feel like targets of the major superpower. That's my two cents.

PB

http://www.voltairenet.org/article30032.html

This is not to say that Ahmadinejad is a good guy, but neither is Mousavi. The difference is that Ahmadinejad is a nationalist while Mousavi will pimp for US Inc. Venezeula and Iran have been working together as a matter of survival in the face of the global hegemon. That is why Hugo backs the man, ya hang together or ya hang separately.

Real socialists don't side with theocratic reactionaries.

Nice to see you around, OMC. :hi:

Comunicado

El Gobierno de la República Bolivariana de Venezuela, a nombre del pueblo de Venezuela, ratifica su reconocimiento al pueblo y al gobierno de la República Islámica de Irán por la extraordinaria jornada democrática que protagonizaron el pasado viernes 12 de junio, cuando tuvieron lugar unas elecciones presidenciales que registraron niveles históricos de participación popular y resultaron en la reelección del presidente Mahmud Ahmadineyad.

El Gobierno Bolivariano de Venezuela manifiesta su más firme rechazo a la feroz e infundada campaña de descrédito que desde el exterior se ha desatado contra las instituciones de la República Islámica de Irán, con el objetivo de enturbiar el clima político de ese hermano país.

Desde Venezuela denunciamos estos actos de injerencia en los asuntos internos de la República Islámica de Irán, al tiempo que exigimos el cese inmediato de estas maniobras de intimidación y desestabilización contra la Revolución Islámica.

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

Caracas, 16 de junio de 2009

http://www.presidencia.gob.ve/action/noticia/view_ver_mas?id_noticia_web=2994

Chavez is

1. Acknowledging the official results.
2. Denouncing outside interference.
3. Affirming that the Iranian people will know best how to resolve their internal affairs:

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

"The Venezuelan people and government affirm that the Iranian people will know how to best resolve their internal affairs and will continue on the path of their Islamic revolution."

There is no siding with Ahmedinejad in that statement. There is siding with the wishes of the Iranian people.

LOL. No one bothered to check.

But thanks.

According to the translation pasted below, Hugo is aboslutely offering his esteemed voice of validation to Ahmedinejad's questionable election process and results. Any questions or criticisms are simply part of the continued efforts of outsiders (read: "The West") to bring down the Iranian Islamic Regime.

Do you agree with those sentiments?

issued on the same day? :shrug:

Really.

So that one is moot now? It's difficult keeping up with your moving targets.

You posted this OP that is patently not the position Chavez holds.

His position on Friday was the same as many governments that do business with Tehran.

Where is the conflict?

Your OP has been shown to be spun bs. The Chavez government is backing the Iranian people. Can you seriously deny that?

The Chavez government's statement, that you posted above, totally refutes that point. He ridiculed and dismissed anyone (I assume that included Iranians) who questions the election and result.

If Chavez has changed his position since, let's hear it.

not behind any politician. But thanks for playing.

against the Iran elections?

And not his statement posted today.

Today the statement reads, let the Iranian people work it out without interference.

What an asshole. :)

Venezuela "expresses its strong opposition to the terrible and unfounded smear campaign," waged "from outside," said a statement from the foreign ministry on Tuesday.

and yanked out of LBN because it happened on Friday and was posted Sat morning. Or, that's what I know, anyway.

his faults.

Freaking cultists--they'd sing the praises of Pol Pot if Hugo did so first.

explicitly backs the Iranian electorate, not Ahmadinejad.

This is why propaganda works. :shrug:

is referring to?

And it keeps resurfacing as if it's brand new.

Obviously we can only fairly assume that Chavez has completely changed his outlook of the situation in 6 days, especially given that he hasn't released any sort of retraction or a statement that conflict directly with what he said then. /sarcasm off

Public statements do not have a week long shelf-life, it is assumed you still believe it unless you explicitly state otherwise.

And they have all reversed themselves. They all do business with Iran.

Use your brain. And read the statement that Chavez has up today.

Give examples of the specific text where Chavez reversed what he said previously, I see nothing in that statement you "Found" that contradicts what he said earlier.

Like the EU and others, he has modified his statement as this situation has unfolded.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5868209&mesg_id=5870503

Okay so Chavez releases a statement recognising Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's victory and then later releases a statement that supports the official results, condemns outside interference and tells the international community to keep out.

Where is the contradiction? Where is the retraction of previous statements? I don't see a single word of what your graciously decided to translate that proves that chavez no longer believes what he once did (That the Iranian elections were free and fair and that he supports Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's presidency).

Also if you must know I'm 18 and if that is old enough to be killed by religious militia, I'd venture it is old enough to interpret press releases.

He's not and you can read the words yourself because I posted them.

Is that clear enough?

I pasted a translation of his latest statement in post #51 above. Hugo is still an ass. No surprise there.

Maybe my reading comprehension isn't as high as yours being only 18 and all, Do me a favour and show me exactly which of those statements contradict what was said earlier by Chavez.

isn't clear enough for you?

On Friday, his office issued a statement backing Ahmedinejad.

What is up now is very different. He is saying, Iran needs to work it out without interference.


OMFG, what a BASTARD the Chenis is! :wow:

here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=5868209&mesg_id=5871085

A interpretation that requires subtextal guessing and reading between the lines that you and only you seem to have found logical.

explicitly backing the Iranian people. Not much to interpret there.

:)

Given that he apparently believes in the official results, wouldn't that mean he believes the iranian people back Ahmedinejad.

I most certainly support the Iranian people and not Ahmendinejad, but that is only because I believe the official results were fraud of the first degree. Chavez apparently does not share that belief.

I can only go by what he actually says. You might consider doing the same and not tarring him with a position he doesn't actually hold.

And nothing said recently contradicts it, so isn't it reasonable to assume that friday statement still stands?

Seriously, why take updates to be updates? Why not just go with what you believe in the face of other evidence?

lol

Okay just follow my line of reasoning here
First statement
"I support Ahmendinejad and believe he won"

Next 3 statements
"I Support the official results proclaiming Ahmendinejad winner"
"I support the Iranian people"
"I do not support international interference in the matter"

How do the 3 new statements contradict the previous statement? You're seeing what you want to see, not what is plainly there on paper.

whatever the Iranian people decide as a resolution to this situation.

If you don't understand that change, I can't help you.

Where does he say "I am no longer backing Ahmendinejad"?

What he says is "I am backing the iranian people and since I believe in the official results (Which back Ahmendinejad) I believe the iranian people back Ahmendinejad".

It is not a retraction, it's a slightly more pretty way of saying what he said rather crudely before.

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

"The Venezuelan people and government affirm that the Iranian people will know how to best resolve their internal affairs and will continue on the path of their Islamic revolution."

How do you get "I no longer support Ahmadinejad" from that? Keep in mind this is coming from a man who believes that the Iranian people just re-elected Ahmadinejad.

:)

The man made two statements. The second one doesn't contradict the first one, so why would you think he no longer believes the first?

It supports the Iranian electorate. If you can't see that, then you have a problem with reading.

It isn't a contradiction.

But go ahead and desperately read between the lines, maybe you'll find some honor there eventually.

"1. Acknowledging the official results.", you know the one that says the Iranian electorate overwhelmingly elected Ahmadinejad

will solve their own problem, that isn't reading between anything. That's just
literacy. Try some sometime.

Chavez is cornered. He is on the wrong side of history and humanity.

El pueblo y el gobierno de Venezuela albergamos la certeza de que el pueblo iraní sabrá solucionar sus asuntos internos y continuará la senda de la Revolución Islámica.

"The Venezuelan people and government affirm that the Iranian people will know how to best resolve their internal affairs and will continue on the path of their Islamic revolution."

He satan!

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaah HAH HA!

:rofl:

Then they'll force all the women to wear burqas, eat black beans and rice, and listen to "Guantanamera" played on an Oud.

lol

:scared: :hi:

lol

:hi:

care so much about Hugo Chavez but just not enough to read the thread.

lol