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timeforpeace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:05 PM Original message |
Say what? Iran accuses US of meddling! |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. We ARE meddling. |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yeah, because twitter *didn't* |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. No, because people are running easily traceable Tor servers that the Revolutionary Guard |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. There is evidence of that? - nt |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Evidence that people are doing it? They're bragging about it openly, playing at revolutionaries |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. It's devolved into a big game for some people. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. You implied the US govt. is doing it |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:52 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. Or doing it. As the revolt shows, people and gov't are NOT the same. |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. You INFERRED that. I don't think the U.S. Gov't is meddling, and I didn't imply it. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #27 |
30. uhh, the OP is about... |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:22 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. You Twitter fetishists playing at revolutionaries. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. too funny |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:47 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. NO, I didn't claim the U.S. Government was behind it, nor do I think that. In fact... |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:00 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. It is called context |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. As I told you before, that was not my claim originally, and that was not what I thought. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Yes really |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. Well, OK! We agree that Twitter a pretty stupid way for anyone to get their news. |
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Ohio Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:33 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. Now I see what your trying to say |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. ARE the Europeans handling it? |
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billyoc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
28. It doesn't matter whether or not they ARE handling it, you CAN'T. |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #16 |
35. Americans =/= American government. nt |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yet the real busy hand here appears to be Russian. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That's on one side. What's on the other? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
22. Well, I don't do "fair and balanced." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
17. And Chavez "reportedly" sent riot police. Is there a source? n/t |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
25. Haven't heard that. Heard 5000 Hezbollah came in just before the election. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Is there a good source for either of those things? |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:08 PM Response to Reply #29 |
41. Define "good source." |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:19 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. I am learning, too, aquart, just how much I don't know about Iran. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Just found this site which is trying to help with the terms. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 06:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. I don't know. I have to look it up! |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
3. And that's precisely why Obama doesn't want to interfere and give |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. You know, there are people in the State Department who are not |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. Do you know of anyone in the State Dept. that has criticized |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
36. It was fine for State to contact Twitter, not fine for it to be leaked and printed in the NYTs. |
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GodlessBiker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. To not act is to act. We would be meddling no matter what we did. |
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Caliman73 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
7. So, because they are accusing us of meddling, we should actually do it? |
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monmouth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
8. Maybe they were watching John McLame...n/t |
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HeresyLives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
10. That was the plan from the beginning. |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
11. Predictable. Without the Great Satan |
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lamp_shade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
12. McCain, Pence, et al..... SHUT UP!!! |
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Liberal_Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
13. The Good Ol' USA Would Never Do Anything Like That |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #13 |
26. Sorry, this isn't our show. It's Russia's. |
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blindpig (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
15. Maybe this has something to do with it: |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 03:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. And this: |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:24 PM Response to Original message |
33. the U.S has supported some paramilitary groups and exile groups. But I don't know of any evidence |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 12:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. wonder what happened to 2008's 60 million, then - & 2009's 65 million... |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 03:30 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. as the title to the article states - the pro-democracy forces in Iran don't want the money |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 03:34 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. "Plus, we have plenty from the Saudis" they didn't add. n/t |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
53. but no evidence that any foreign money has anything to do with hundreds of thousands of Iranian |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I think I agree with all of that although, if the Saudis put money into |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:29 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. in spite of everything, Saudi Arabia and Iran have a great deal of trade and other relations |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #53 |
59. what, would you like a public announcement & budget? |
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Douglas Carpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 05:19 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. They are on the streets in spite of American influence, not because of it. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 06:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. no evidence one million people taking to the streets are doing so because of Washington influence" |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 02:05 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Look at this: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:23 AM Response to Reply #50 |
56. if the 2009 request was for 65 million, the 2008 60 million was spent. |
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Xolodno (310 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-17-09 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
34. You know... |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
49. Their accusations will become much more specific |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 03:30 AM Response to Original message |
51. Seymour Hersh says Bush started a $400 million |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:18 AM Response to Original message |
55. More meddling |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 04:39 AM Response to Original message |
58. Has US meddling ever stopped? |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-18-09 07:00 AM Response to Original message |
62. they can't have it both ways & their people know what's going on |
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