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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:05 PM
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Engine 32 was the first on the scene of a wildfire I reported this morning
I saw the smoke pop up at about 10:30 AM. I watched it and plotted it for about 10 minutes. When I was sure that it was smoke and when I had a position solution that I was relatively comfortable with, I called it in on the USFS radio net to Central Oregon Dispatch. The smoke was about eight miles north of the lookout in an area known as the "Potholes," which is infamous among firefighters for getting accurate positions because of the flat terrain.

I gave them a "dirty" position, and then fine-tuned it five minutes later: Township 21, Range 14, Section 11, NE quarter of the NE quarter section .. just off the 100 FS road spur. Dispatch assigned engine 32 to the fire. They called in about an hour later, at the scene (sometimes engines have to drive many miles and search for the fire location). Since engine 32 was the first on the scene, the engine crew leader became the fire commander.

The first thing the fire commander does is assess the situation and pinpoint the location of the fire (usually GPS) and radio in a report to the dispatcher. This is where I get nervous. How far off was my position fix? I knew that my boss was already on his way to the fire. But I also knew that engine 32 had not transmitted any radio messages about having trouble finding the fire.

The fire commander normally reports the exact position of the fire in either LAT/LON or TRS (or both) formats. When engine 32 called in his report, before they even started fighting the fire, he gave the fire details: "wildfire, in sage and Ponderosa pine, less than one-tenth acre, winds calm." Then the position: "exactly where the lookout said it was."

That doesn't happen often, and I'll probably be off a mile on the next fire, but my cap sure looks swell with its new plume!


On a lighter note: You usually get what you pay for ..

You get what you pay for, generally speaking. To support that statement, I offer two examples.

Example 1: I should know by now not to buy cheap kitchen gadgets in the grocery store or Target ("Good Grips" brand products excepted, but the Target in Bend does not carry "Good Grips"). Perhaps the shabby merchandise in Target's kitchen gadget section should be branded "Good Gripes." It was there I bought a funky, el-cheapo garlic press (which I use primarily to press ginger root). My first attempt at gaining mechanical advantage over a small cube of ginger root with the machine resulted in a fracture of the handle. Six bucks down the drain. Yesterday I went to the upscale kitchen store on Powerhouse Drive and bought a hefty, well-tuned garlic press .. fifteen bucks. The Porsche of garlic presses!

Example 2: In 1994 (or so) I bought a pair of Mephisto hiking boots at Nordstrom in Pentagon City. These were $450 boots on sale for $125. There was only one pair, and it was my size. They were the most comfortable boots I have ever worn. Well, maybe not as comfortable as my original issue all-leather US Army combat boots (those were great boots). Fifteen years later the Mephisto boots were a little too worn to bring out to Oregon. I studied buying another pair of Mephisto boots. The best deal I could find was $475 at Zappos.com.

During that research I happened across the website of NuShoe in San Diego. NuShoe specializes in totally reconditioning Mephisto shoes and boots. They offered a major boot overhaul for $95. I sent my boots off the NuShoe in early May. My buds on fire engine 34 brought the package with my re-conditioned boots out to the lookout on Monday.

It's amazing. They look like new boots. They have new Mephisto soles, shiny uppers, new inside liners, and new laces. These boots are good to go for another fifteen years. Let's see .. $220/30 years = $7.33/year for boots. Even if I lose them tomorrow, I have less than $15/year for that period of ownership invested in these boots.

My old boots even smell new.

These boots are made for walking:





The lookout is a little brighter today, thanks to a sale at Pier-1 Imports:



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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:11 PM
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1. I've heard that Mephisto has a lifetime guarantee on its shoes.
Well done spottin' the fire!
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:12 PM
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2. Take a bow, Tex.......
That's pretty wonderful, nailing the location the way you did.

And if you found a garlic press that works, tell me the brand, because I've yet to find one that does anything but get jammed and squish the garlic.

But, those boots! What a cool story! Quality goods have quality people behind them, that's for sure.

Wear them in good health and safety, and thank you for these reports. I love them ...................
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:27 PM
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10. HI, KIDDO!
MY great garlic press, highly recommended (by ME) is Swiss made, called SUSI.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:33 PM
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13. Really?
I gotta google ----------------------->

Wow. This sucker gets RAVE reviews. And I never even heard of it!

Look familiar?
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:00 PM
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26. Yup!
I've had it for YEARS, so mine doesn't look quite like that! 'Arms' not curved, and no fancy blue thing between them, but 'face' looks same.

How much???? Have NO idea when or where I got it, but I'm VERY fond of it, and was quite pleased that I was able to retrieve it from house when I left!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:03 PM
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27. Damn cool looking machine
Thanks
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:26 AM
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41. It's made by Zyliss. I recommend getting the jumbo size
I have both, and they work great. The jumbo is nice because it gives a lot more leverage, even when you're only crushing a couple of cloves.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:55 PM
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34. Yep, beat me to it -SUSI, or ZUSI, or however the hell it's spelled is the way to go - got one years
ago, after it was recommended by the Frugal Gourmet, or somesuch person.
Works great, have had it for years.
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:26 AM
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40. Hi, kath!
:hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:12 PM
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3. exactly where the lookout said it was
:yourock:

I've got a pair of boots I can't stand the thought of throwing out but they are so worn, like your Mephisto, I never thought of reconditioning them.

You've had a very good day. :thumbsup:

thanks for taking care of the forest for us.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:20 PM
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5. NuShoe does other brands too
Check them out!

:hi:
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:22 PM
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6. I will thanks
thanks for the suggestion.

Have they rebuilt the wench/hoist yet?

When they do, take a photo so I can see how they built it.

:hi:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:25 PM
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8. No, it's still condemned
I'll try to get an as-is pic tomorrow.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:51 PM
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19. that be great if you have the time
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:44 PM
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16. Here ya go merh .. pics of the condemned hoist system




No rachet, no safety lock. It is totally out of service. I still have a goose-egg on the top of my head from May 22.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:59 PM
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23. I can make something like that and use the small hand crank
wench (with locking mechanism) - cool, I think I can do something like that.

thanks for posting the pics - sorry about the goose egg.

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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:29 PM
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30. To be perfectly clear, lest anyone misunderstand what we do out here ..
I have condemned the hoist system until safety improvements are made. It is NOT a hoist system for the condemned! It looks a little too much like a gallows for me to leave that dangling (heh-heh).
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:19 PM
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4. Good goin', Smokey! (Nice sunflowers!)
:applause:
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:31 PM
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11. "... he can spot a fire before it starts to flame. That's why they call him Smokey....
That is where he got his name!"

God, at my age, I still remember that jingle from PSA on TV in California.

Yeah, Mac 'Smokey' Demo Tex! He did good!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:47 PM
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17. I gotta be careful though .. Karma.
Pride goeth before the fall .. etc.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:55 PM
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21. Yup. "The Singing Woodsman" ... early 50s.
"With a ranger's hat and shovel and a pair of dungarees,
You will find him in the forest always sniffin' at the breeze
People stop and pay attention when he tells them to beware,
'Cause everybody knows that he's the fire preventin' bear.

Smokey the Bear, Smokey the Bear, prowlin' and agrowlin'
and a sniffin' the air,
He can find a fire before it starts to flame,
What's why they call him Smokey, that's how he got his name."



http://smokeybear.mrdonn.org/radioads.html
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:09 PM
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28. Great stuff! I'll email it to my boss for the ranger station.
Thanks
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:27 PM
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29. Me 'n the Nut should do a duet. You really need the tune for full effect
:rofl:

Damn, we are OLD!
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:36 PM
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31. It would be worth the price of admission!
When I do the "Stairmaster" (sixty steps from the ground to the tower) five times before breakfast .. walk Nick, fetch wash water, fetch gasoline for the generator, dash to the outhouse, return gasoline to shed, check rain gage and hoist flag, etc., .. I feel every one of my 61 years. I am sure the young firefighters call me "Pops" back at the station. But that's OK, what does not kill me makes me strong!

BTW: I'm typing with the headlight on now. And my Verizon broadband degraded to National Access. So mistakes might go uncorrected. Heavens!
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elleng Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:23 PM
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7. Great news!
Congrats!
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:26 PM
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9. Congratulations.
How is the fire now? spreading or controlled?
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:58 PM
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22. Contained and controlled at 13:15 PDT
Engine 32 left the scene at about 16:30 PDT. I'm watching the site until dark (off the clock .. but who wouldn't watch?). They will check the fire site every day for a couple of weeks and it will be on my watch list.

BTW: The fire commander called for an investigator at 14:00. That means they see signs that there were human causes .. not lightening. This one could have gotten big. The wind picked up big time about the time they called it contained and controlled. The wind is howling now, drying out the fuel from two weeks of record rains.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:37 PM
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32. Great going - just in time.
Hope they find evidence to nail the perpetrator.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:00 AM
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35. If they do, and it was an accident, the perp will be billed.
Arson is a different story. I doubt that it was arson. The fire started on an OHV (off hiway vechicle) trail between two OHV staging areas (25 & 2510, for those familiar with the area). It was only a half mile from the site of the big fire (#96) on the day before Memorial Day (Sunday). That one was probably started by a careless smoker, according to the investigators.
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supernova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:32 PM
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12. Really enjoying your lookout dispatches, DemoTex
and a hearty round of

:applause: :applause: for getting the fire location exactly right!

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Tuesday Afternoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:35 PM
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14. well done, sir
:applause:

keep up the good work :patriot:
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:37 PM
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15. Cool on both fronts -- pinpointing the fire and the reconded boots.n/t
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:49 PM
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18. Way to go EagleEye !
nice boots too.

of course if you were home in the NC's, you'd be in the rain, rain, rain.

dp
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 11:41 PM
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33. The Weather Channel said Monday (I was in the motel in Bend) ..
That Birmingham, Alabama, has had more rain this year (mid-June) than all of 2008. Dr. DemoTex tells me they are saying the Upstate SC drought is broken. Any word on the Hartwell, Jocasee, Lanier lake levels?
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blonndee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:52 PM
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20. Fascinating...thanks for the updates!
And great job today!
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:59 PM
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24. Time for a terrible joke:

Do you know why Smokey the Bear doesn't have any kids?



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Because, every time his wife gets hot, he beats her with a shovel!!!!

:rofl:

OK, that's really ancient and really stinkin'.......

CONGRATS, DemoTex!! Cool boots!!

:hi:


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Parker CA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-17-09 10:59 PM
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25. DemoTex, I've read a couple of your posts so far about the lookout. LOVE IT!! Your tone in writing
is wonderful. Congratulations on the spot, and the boots! Man, those are some good lookin boots, and the cost!?!?! Incredible. I look forward to reading the next tale from your adventure. May your eyesight to the horizon remain clear.
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:10 AM
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37. Thanks, Parker CA
I am up here for the same reason Kerouac was on Desolation Peak and Snyder and Whalen were on Sourdough in the early '50s. To spot fires and protect the forest (well, they jaded on that .. but I have not), to write, and to gather grist for the mill for future writing. Worked for them!

FYI: When Gary Snyder (Pulitzer-winning poet) packed into the Sourdough lookout in 1954 (?) the mule team driver reported that the only food Snyder took up was 100 pounds of rice and a gallon of soy sauce!
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:04 AM
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36. Good job
and nice petzl too... :hi:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:15 AM
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38. Remember, the compendium of all this is my DU Journal
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:16 AM by DemoTex
Look early .. look often! It's getting quite big.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/DemoTex
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:16 AM
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39. From a retired medic to the lookout... GOOD JOB
and pat yourself on the back.

I am sure the crew on Engine 32 was glad to have a GOOD look out on the job.

Oh and enjoy your boots.

Boot story, my ever so lovely Chipewa firefighting boots, they got quite a beating but I still love the damn things. And no, they didn't make ahem WOMEN's sizes back then... so it took THICK socks.

So anybody involved in fire, military, or police, thank your lucky stars... they do make female boots these days. And yes, that is a hell of a difference...
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:29 AM
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42. You rock, nadinbrzezinski
I just learned more about you in this post than in all your prior posts. And I've enjoyed your posts for years.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:28 PM
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48. Well I am enjoying your look out reports
they are really fun and well done.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:29 AM
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43. kR DemoTex, thanks for persevering in more ways than one, this is EXTREMELY cool
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:29 AM by omega minimo
:applause:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:35 AM
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44. It is extremely cool too that the Admin and Mods allow me to confine my posts in GD
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 12:47 AM by DemoTex
I thank them beaucoup! It really simplifies my life posting from the wilderness of the Deschutes National Forest.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:48 AM
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45. a public service on many levels -- and a throwback to other eras, eh?
I thought FS quit doing this.

My dad sat in one decades ago. Dare I turn him (R) onto your journal? I think he'd get a kick and the POVs are AWESOME. :yourock:
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DemoTex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:08 AM
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46. Absolutely! Bring him into to the fold!
I'm keeping all my posts from here politically neutral for a couple of reasons. Number one, I am sitting/living in US Government Property! Number two, my posts here are mirrored in a journal to family and friends .. a journal where politics and religion are verboten.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:16 AM
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47. All right. Link to your journal and any other recs for the initiated?
:toast:
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