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meegbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 09:59 AM
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New York Times: NSA Agent Was Reading Bill Clinton's Personal Emails
Who ever could have guessed that an NSA analyst would look at someone's personal emails for their own purposes? (And of course, how certain are we that they weren't working for someone else?) I guess we should assume that there's an audience for anything we say or do!

A secret NSA surveillance database containing millions of intercepted foreign and domestic e-mails includes the personal correspondence of former President Bill Clinton, according to the New York Times.

An NSA intelligence analyst was apparently investigated after accessing Clinton’s personal correspondence in the database, the paper reports, though it didn’t say how many of Clinton’s e-mails were captured or when the interception occurred.

The database, codenamed Pinwale, allows NSA analysts to search through and read large volumes of e-mail messages, including correspondence to and from Americans. Pinwale is likely the end point for data sucked from internet backbones into NSA-run surveillance rooms at AT&T facilities around the country.

Those rooms were set up by the Bush administration following 9/11, and were finally legalized last year when Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act. The law gives the telecoms immunity for cooperating with the administration; it also opens the way for the NSA to lawfully spy on large groups of phone numbers and e-mail addresses in bulk, instead of having to obtain a warrant for each target.

The NSA can collect the correspondence of Americans with a court order, or without one if the interception occurs incidentally while the agency is targeting people "reasonably believed" to be overseas. But in 2005, the agency "routinely examined large volumes of Americans’ e-mail messages without court warrants," according to the Times, through this loophole. The paper reports today that the NSA is continuing to over-collect e-mail because of difficulties in filtering and distinguishing between foreign and domestic correspondence.

If an American’s correspondence pops up in search results when analysts sift through the database, the analyst is allowed to read it, provided such messages account for no more than 30 percent of a search result, the paper reported.

The NSA has claimed that the over-collection was inadvertent and corrected it each time the problem was discovered. But Rep. Rush Holt (D-New Jersey), chairman of the House Select Intelligence Oversight Panel, disputed this. "Some actions are so flagrant that they can’t be accidental," he told the Times.


http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/new-york-times-nsa-agent-was-reading
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:03 AM
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1. Anyone who *hasn't* assumed their personal messages have been intercepted for the last twenty years.
Is either terminally naive or too stupid to breathe without assistance.

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:08 AM
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3. But that doesn't mean it still should or will stop.
I been trying to think of a very simple way to make an encryption program that leverages off of things like Processor and network Card ID or something.

Might be fun to write an open source program like that.

Something where a message sent to a person could only be decoded on that machine. By making the decoding linked to some state on an individual machine.
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:17 AM
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6. I read a book a while back about encryption and the NSA, etc..
They have a huge percentage of the total number of math PhD's in the country working for them on just this kind of thing.

Honestly, I don't think there's anything that can be done.. If they really and truly want to read your correspondence they'll break it somehow.

Only a one time pad is really unbreakable and even that is subject to a great deal of non randomness unless a considerable effort is made in the creating of the pads.

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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:18 PM
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15. Oh I agree if they want to they can read computer.
But if a few layers were added, they would only read the ones they really wanted to, effectively moving back to not just reading everyone's email.

I doesn't matter to me personally, but I know bad groups will always use such powers wrongly.

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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:20 AM
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9. If you are communicating with people overseas, you're REALLY stupid. nt
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:11 PM
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14. eh, some of us have friends, family, and business relationships overseas
Although I assume you meant that the assumption of privacy is what's stupid.

I may need more coffee because I did not get that at first.
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RandomThoughts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:04 AM
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2. When I want to talk to NSA
I just type keys in note pad then erase them.

It helps when they mess with my Internet connectivity <-- joke <-- sorta :P


Back in the Bush days, you also could talk to his commitee of Billionairs with special intelligence security clearences also. <-- ok thats a joke :rofl:
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:10 AM
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4. According to Senator Feinstein, this is not a big problem.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:16 AM
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5. Just another bad apple, no chance of this being a systemic problem.
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Raster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:18 AM
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7. Of course not. The NSA wouldn't do that.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:19 AM
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8. Like the Army bugging Eleanor Roosevelt's hotel room in Chicago, they'll be soorrryyyy. nt
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:21 AM
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10. But Bill will still kiss Bush ass anyway
'Cause he loves them.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:22 AM
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11. finally legalized last year when Congress passed the FISA Amendments Act
I hate to say, "we told you"!
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:25 AM
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12. Do I still havta wear tin foil hat about suggesting many in D.C. could be blackmailed?
More and more evidence that more and more pols were targets of surveillance. Am I still condemned to being called paranoid for suggesting pols could be targets of surveillance?
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:02 AM
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13. Hey Bill
:thumbsup: ;-)
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