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sabra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 10:58 AM
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Jane Mayer: CIA interrogators waterboarded Abu Zubaydah 183 times over 5 day period of time
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2009/06/cia-interrogations-disclosure.html

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A person speaking on behalf of Mitchell and Jessen, who asked to remain anonymous, said, in their defense, that everything they did was authorized all the way up the chain of command to the director of Central Intelligence at the time, George Tenet. (In his 2007 book, “At the Center of The Storm,” Tenet wrote, “C.I.A. officers came up with a series of interrogation techniques that would be carefully monitored at all times to ensure the safety of the prisoner. The administration and the Department of Justice were fully briefed and approved the use of these tactics.” A call to Tenet’s spokesman has not yet been returned.) The person also said (as the New York Times has reported) that interrogators received orders from top C.I.A. officials to waterboard Abu Zubaydah even longer, but the interrogators refused to do so. These officials, the source said, wanted to continue waterboarding Zubaydah for thirty days. But after five days, during which he was waterboarded at least a hundred and eighty-three times, the interrogators believed he had divulged all he knew and refused to push him further. According to the source, the interrogators were told that it was “an order” to keep going. The top officials relented only after the interrogators prepared a videotape of Zubaydah undergoing the brutal treatment and showed it during a video conference with the top officials in Washington. Paul Gimigliano, a C.I.A. spokesman, said he couldn’t confirm the account.

Lawyers at the C.I.A. later authorized the agency to destroy ninety-two videotapes of detainee interrogations, almost all of them of the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, which had been sought by a federal judge and the 9/11 Commission. A special prosecutor is currently leading a criminal investigation into the destruction of these videotapes.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:07 AM
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1. To get him to confess about something that didn't exist. nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:21 AM
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5. A false 'confession' has been the PRIMARY objective of torture for ages.
I find it appalling that this isn't just basic knowledge these days. Even long before the Spanish Inquisition and Salem Witch Trials and Korean 'brain-washing' and MANY other OBVIOUS examples of coerced false 'confessions,' torture is almost SOLELY used with that objective. Only an abject fool would think otherwise, or a sociopath would claim otherwise.
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Poll_Blind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:07 AM
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2. America has lost all claim to its prior position as an Exceptional country in this brutal world.
"The American Exception" is absolutely no more. It is an intangible thing but its loss hurts America deeply.

PB
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:10 AM
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3. K&R
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:15 AM
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4. Wouldn't some people develop a "FUCK YOU" attitude?
Maybe start messing with the interrogators' heads, making up wild stories, etc., knowing that whatever you say may or may not stop the torture?

I don't see any way anybody could separate the truth from the half-truth from the outright lie from the mild distortion from the failed memory under stress from the whatever...
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:37 AM
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6. Because it worked so well the first time! NOT
Brutal punishment of a war prisoner without a trial!
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pscot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:41 AM
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7. These people are sick
The torturers and their enablers really ought to locked up. For the good of society.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 11:49 AM
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8. That works out to 1.5 waterboardings per hour...every hour.
or, assuming 8 hours for rest/recovery - that's a 2.3 waterboardings per hour. Frankly, I'm surprised he survived the ordeal.

I'm betting the tapes were destroyed not because of the physical torture, but because of what questions were being asked. Imagine if, instead of them interrogating about ticking timebombs/GWOT, the questions were all focused on extracting 'evidence' linking Al Qaeda to Saddam Hussein/Iraq?
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:02 PM
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9. Sounds like they were using him as a lab rat.
That's an additional war crime on top of all the others.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 12:03 PM
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10. Reading her "The Dark Side" now
amazing and scary
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:24 PM
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11. Send Them to the Hague!
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 02:25 PM by AndyTiedye
The International Criminal Court exists to try crimes like these.




There is also a prison there:

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yodermon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-19-09 10:46 AM
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12. "A special prosecutor is currently leading a criminal investigation into the destruction of the vids
first i'd heard of this, cool.
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