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Aslanspal Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 01:54 PM
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"We have one life...we'll give it up for freedom"


Huffington Post Tweets this one struck me....it moved me.


Spiderwebz: RT From Iran: "We had 1 vote…we gave it to Mousavi" @ Wednesday's rally. "We have one life…we'll give it up for freedom" #IranElection #gr88
less than a minute ago from web


If the Revolution succeeds will Twitter win some humanitarian award??



Just a side note: Fuck you Rush Limbaugh

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:38 PM
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1. Definitly not my opinion
I mean, I was raised with a heaping serving of that stuff, but when it comes down to it, Id rather live with some constraints and enjoy my life with my family than be some gun slinging freedom fighter. If shit got hairy, Id move.

That probably doesn't sound as romantic, but whatever
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Aslanspal Donating Member (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 02:59 PM
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2. O M G! could you please remove Bob Dylan and replace it with Pee Wee Herman
yeah whatever....good luck in finding a rock to hide under. Hope you don't mind me having some fun at your expense, I figure you won't care.


"Daddy, why are you afraid of being brave"
"Listen Son shut the fuck up and do your homework"
"Make me Coward!"
"Okay, whatever"


"Son you did not take out the trash"
"Fuck you Dad"
"whatever"

"Dear, what's for Dinner?"
"Make it yourself! asshole"
"whatever"

Neighbor: " hey! neighbor we put up a fence about 3 yards into your property line"
"whatever"

Police: "Sir, your under arrest"
"what did I do?"
"you give the country a bad name"
" whatever"




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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:06 PM
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3. Well, you can raise your Coors on the 4th of July and shoot your guns...
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 03:08 PM by Oregone
But, you know, if things went differently, maybe you would be drinking beer out of pints, have universal health care, a parliamentary government that worked, and not have a bloated military industrial complex stealing your tax money.

Look, the majority of the world lives in some repression, and they still enjoy life, family and the real things that are important to them. Its almost arrogant to think you are so special, that your life needs to either be repression free or simply fade away. While its all a great ideal, and all that, its just a flowery romantic idea. There ain't nothing wrong with dodging and weaving in life, and packing your bags when things don't suit you.

I mean really...who is more free? Someone whose happiness depends upon extinguishing all repression from their life, which they will accept death for? Or someone who is chained to no land or county, moves where he wants, and focuses upon family for their fulfillment instead of some grand (symbolic) fight?

When people become a slave for the cause of freedom (especially if it can never truly be realized), they are anything but free.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:20 PM
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8. You can't always leave though
Some of these oppressive countries have strong anti-emigration policies.

Although I can see your point and see where it comes in useful (the jews who escaped europe in the 1930s for example) at the end of the day progress does come from fighting against injustice. Every major progressive movement foward (womens movement, medicare, medicaid, social security, child labor laws, union laws, civil rights, gay rights, ending slavery) was done by staying and fighting. And you don't need to risk your life or die to support these causes or anything except in the extremes.

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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:22 PM
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10. No, but sometimes you gotta make your family live in the shit until they get done
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 03:25 PM by Oregone
And when things seem further off than tolerable, then fuck it. Give me liberty or ... (leave me the fuck alone).

Having a family and having to stick them in the industrialized nation with the lowest rate of intergenerational mobility while I fight and hope for change seems irresponsible.

Look, it takes all kinds. And Im definitely not one kind. A lot of purported armchair revolutionaries are not either (or they may of done something by now). I admire those who give it all up (sometimes), but thats their gig.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:28 PM
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12. Fair enough
I know I've looked into the point system and into leaving to go to the UK, NZ or Canada before. I am on the brink of qualifying (I need more work experience though).

But again, even in the countries you do move to that have great services only have those services because people fought for them. And fighting for reform is not a dichotomy between 'doing nothing' and 'risking everything'. Simple acts like marching, donating money, calling and writing, communicating with friends, etc can make a massive difference.

The gay rights movement has grown dramatically in the last 20 years and support for gay civil rights keeps going up. Nobody has to die for it.
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:08 PM
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4. He's just being honest
More than I can say for most of the armchair revolutionaries around here.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:09 PM
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5. +1. but even Pee Wee fought to get his bike back.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:13 PM
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6. Hey, Im quite the fighter
Edited on Thu Jun-18-09 03:15 PM by Oregone
I fought to get the fuck out of the US and into a country with Universal Healthcare, child benefits, maternity pay, high intergenerational mobility, and a decent rank on the UN Human Development Index.

I just fight in a different way, and in a way where I don't have to also chain my kids down into the good ol` fight that my heart yearns to take on.

I was a different person in a different time, and maybe I would of rushed blindly at the object of my rage. "I was older then, and Im so much younger than that now."
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:16 PM
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7. At least get your Dylan quotes right.
"Ah, but I was so much older then,
I'm younger than that now."
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:20 PM
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9. Thanks for copying and pasting
As I was going from memory on 2 hours of sleep. You are twice the revolutionary I could ever hope to be.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:30 PM
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14. Yeah I did, but I also knew it from memory. Thanks for the compliment.
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Juche Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:25 PM
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11. Canadians fought for those things though
I'm assuming you are in Canada, I'm not sure. But it was canadians who fought for universal healthcare, child benefits, maternity pay, high intergenerational mobility. The Canadian fight for UHC was vicious too with doctors going on a monthlong strike to try to make the government back down from UHC>

We almost got UHC in the US several times. FDR & Truman wanted it but southern democrats were afraid we'd integrate hospitals. Then Clinton tried to get it passed. Now Obama is working on it. But suffice it to say whether UHC comes to the US or already exists in another country, it exists because people fought for it.
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Oregone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:31 PM
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15. Im glad. It saves me the trouble
As I said, it takes all kinds. My existence isn't detrimental to the world. My contribution to the world will be introducing my grown children as quality individuals that care for others. Thats more than many sitting at home fuming and plotting their revolutionary activities. Cultivate your garden
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:28 PM
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13. I don't understand people with disabled profiles egging on others to risk their lives.
Must just be me. :shrug:
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dorkulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-18-09 03:31 PM
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16. Twitter doesn't deserve a humanitarian award any more than Cragslist deserves a murder charge.
It's a medium, not a morality.
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