Do you look at the price tag before buying? Single Payer System Cost?

http://www.pnhp.org/facts/single_payer_system_cost.php?page=all

"How Much Would a Single Payer System Cost?

Editors’ Note: With the recent resurgence of interest in controlling health care costs, we thought a review of some of the state and national fiscal studies performed on single payer over the years might be useful..."



The CBO analysis we really need...

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/6/16/15116/8543

"...What we really need is a complete, honest, side-side comparison of all proposals, including single payer.

That comparison must NOT bee limited to just the costs to the Federal government, but also the total costs (e.g., currently about 2.5 trillion and 17% of GNP) as well as the costs to State government, employers, and individuals and household of different income levels...

Now that the various plans are getting more specific, the CBO and/or GAO and/or OMB could do such an analyses:

"There must be a complete, honest, side-by-side comparison of all proposals, including HR-676, by the Congressional Budget Office.

The side-by-side comparison should include projected costs to state governments, employers and to households of different income levels. For 2010 and beyond."

The repukes, Blue Dog Democrats, and the President himself has said Single-payer is off the table. Why bother dreaming over something that doesn't have the momentum to move, let alone to pass.

That could in turn elevate its chances.

Which is what the CBO is afraid of.

take a look at SPHC, plus we really should care how much we add to the US credit card bill.

:shrug:

The only people who are happy with it are the insurance companies and the AMA, both of whom are getting very rich off the status quo. The politicians already have government funded health care, and are getting huge piles of cash from the insurance companies and the AMA, so they don't give a shit.
This cost concern is s stubmling block to any real change put there by the GOP who want no real change.

It is a bullshit issue.

mark

Preliminary analysis
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/june/cbo_score_everyone_.php

call, send an email or use the site below.


http://www.1payer.net/campaigns/efax-send-hr-676-to-cbo.html

"Dear Sirs:

I understand that you have refused to send HR 676 to CBO for scoring and have refused to hold a full hearing on that bill and on single-payer health care. Please reconsider your position.

It has become apparent that Republicans will oppose any form of publicly financed, privately delivered health care. In Senate committees, the Republican opposition takes the form of complaints about the financing of health reform.

The easy and simple answer to the financing argument comes from having CBO score hR 676. The bill has within it explicit financing provisions that will easily allow it to be scored. Failing to score the one legislative proposal that will save $400-800 billion per year in administrative waste is inexcusable neglect. Please send HR 676 for scoring by CBO today.

Sincerely"

"for the people" and NOW... NOT SO MUCH!!

I see all kinds of petitions, calls lists and incentives for a call to action about health insurance, but call me what you will, CONGRESS will do what CONGRESS WANTS TO DO!! And it seems evident to me, by Obama's latest statements, that he too will go along!

I can no longer donate money to people or organizations that simply don't work for us and actually simply LIE!! I just don't have extra money!

what we know is that other countries have less costly health care systems and take better care of more of their people.

we need to talk about the facts of this.

accounting of the current system? Include ALL the costs of the current systems.... the uninsured visits to the ER, the uninsured NOT getting care, the costs associated with lack of prenatal care, the loss of worker productivity associated with untreated conditions, etc......

Before my wife and I got on Medicare, we figured our taxes would have to up over $10 grand to make single-payer cost us over what the wonderful current system did.

Besides... who gives a fuck what it costs? Very few of us asked that question about the bloated weapons budget. Our Empire is over anyway, why not just slide gracefully into a country that takes care of its own people?

who HAVE insurance and are denied care or dropped because they have expensive conditions/diseases.

Ask the uninsured who watch everything they worked for disappear because of a minor medical disaster.

Read the fucking post! The Empire is over... time to spend on our own people.

I have Trident subs going by my house on a daily basis. The US spends half its disposable income on the military. We've got a lot of places to cut before we let our own people go without health care.

over themselves trying to pay for whatever public option we'll get and the more they look at the price tag, the more cuts get made to the bill.

And the current Kennedy proposal leaves out a whole lot of people.

At the same time they will not even do a cost comparison with single-payer, which would cover everybody.

They do not want to do that because people might see how they are being ripped off.

That is the point of the OP, of course we should spend more on HC and less on defense, right now the goal is to cover as many people at the best price.

We should not be excluding a system that attains the original goal.