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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 01:41 PM
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The Real Lesson Of Iran -- Beware America's Republican Mullahs
from HuffPost:



Frank Schaeffer
New York Times best-selling author
Posted: June 20, 2009

The Real Lesson Of Iran -- Beware America's Republican Mullahs


The Republicans are faulting President Obama for not taking a "strong enough stand" in support of the freedom marchers in Iran. Yet if the Republican/Religious Right/Neoconservative agenda had come to full fruition over the last 35 years the Republicans would have plunged America into our own version of the misbegotten theocracy destroying Iran today. I know. As a former Religious Right leader I worked to make America "safe" for "Christian values" and dangerous to everyone else. Thankfully I, and those like me, failed.

Had we succeeded America would be another version of Iran. Instead of people like James Dobson and Pat Robertson having become marginalized they'd be sitting in Washington advising whomever was the next Republican president. Instead of environmental protection and new mileage standards for cars there would be new anti-gay laws on the books.

What are the real lesson of Iran for the USA?

1) Don't mix religion and politics.

2) Thank God for the separation of church and state.

3) The Republicans are utter hypocrites. .............(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frank-schaeffer/the-real-lesson-of-iran_b_218359.html




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The Magistrate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 01:43 PM
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1. Hear Hear, Sir!
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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 01:44 PM
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2. not the only real lesson
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 02:12 PM
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3. Iran has gun control. nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 02:14 PM
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4. The point being?
:shrug:


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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 02:15 PM
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5. Unfortunetly, lately Americans have subscribed to the "F*ck that Shi*t" school of protesting
We had two elections stolen from under us and we did nothing. If they had ran the same con on Obama would we have taken to the streets and been willing to watch those around die? Would we have had the fortitude to keep it up for weeks in the numbers that would have been necessary to change the outcome?

I'd like to think yes, but I see no evidence of that.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 03:25 PM
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8. The problem here isn't "The People".
The problem is "The Leadership" (or lack of).
The election was certified in The Senate where not a single Democratic Senator stood to support the protest of the CBC.

NONE of the celebrity Democratic Party Leadership who can demand Face Time on ANY TV channel rose to voice ANY objection, or even question the integrity of the 2000 election.

IF Al Gore HAD stood on the Capitol steps and said, "I'm NOT leaving until Justice is done.
Will you stand WITH ME?"
.....
MILLIONS would have showed up and stood with him.
(I would have BEEN THERE!)

The reason the protests in Iran and The Ukraine worked is because The LEADERSHIP showed up.

A crowd of angry people in the streets without LEADERSHIP is merely an angry mob.
A crowd of angry people in the streets WITH A LEADER is a MOVEMENT.

I WAS in the streets the day after the Supreme Court handed down its 5-4 decision on Bush v Gore.

It was The Opposition Party LEADERSHIP who didn't show up.
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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 03:27 PM
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9. This is a very good point...I was in the streets on 1/20/00 in DC
and you're right, the people were there, we were just rudderless. I didn't think of it that way.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 03:39 PM
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10. In fact, the "celebrity" Democratic Party Leadership....
...worked very hard to marginalize ANY protest movement from the unwashed expendable pawns.
NONE even dared to show their faces at ANY protest venue, much less take a microphone.
People questioning the integrity of the election were openly ridiculed and laughed at by the Democratic Party Leadership when they appeared on the Talking Head Shows.
It wasn't The Republicans who squashed a the Protest Movement. It was The Democrats.

They treated their activist BASE the same way they are treating us today.....ignoring us, or even having us arrested when we ask them to do their jobs.


"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans. I want us to compete for that great mass of voters that want a party that will stand up for working Americans, family farmers, and people who haven't felt the benefits of the economic upturn."---Paul Wellstone


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Joe the Revelator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:24 PM
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11. Well said...
also, I like your Wellstone photo/quote.
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azul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 02:28 PM
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6.  Support hardliners in Christian and Jewish nations but not Muslim?
Isn't it something like 60-70% of Americans think that the USA is a Christian nation? And isn't the message we get from many sources that Jewish nations are our allies and Muslim nations the enemy?

The message of Christian soldiers marching off to war? We got politics in government for a fact, how to better separate it?
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AntiFascist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 02:29 PM
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7. K&RRRR!

Wow! Kudos to Frank Schaeffer (a former insider) for writing this!


The Religious Right has been awash in anti-democratic (even anti-American) religious ideologues for the better part of 40 years. For instance I knew the founders of the so-called dominionist or "reconstruction" wing of our movement personally, people like the late Reverend Rousas John Rushdoony the father of "Christian Reconstructionism" and the modern Christian home school movement.



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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 04:30 PM
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12. 'The battle between oppressive religion and freedom is not over yet-- in Iran, nor here in America'
Frank Schaeffer, former member of the Religious Right writes today:


June 20, 2009


.....

Until I got out of the religious right (in the mid-1980s) I was both a leader of the so-called pro-life movement and a part of a Republican Party hate machine masquerading as the moral conscience of America.

If the Republican Party and we of the Religious Right had had our way by now there would be a constitutional amendment and/or laws forcing prayer in schools, disenfranchising gay men and women, banning all abortions under penalty of death, banning gay men and women from serving in the military, launching a neoconservative led and religious right backed holy war against Islam, fixing Israel's borders permanently to incorporate all the land taken in 1967 forever into a "Greater Israel" based on the "fact" that "God gave the Jews" the land "forever," capital punishment would be used routinely to punish a variety of crimes including being gay, civil rights for blacks, women, gays, unions would be in retreat, and -- other than enforcing "morality" - George W. Bush's style of "free market" non-governance would be permanent.

Think this is all far fetched? Then you never sat in secret meetings with Pat Robertson or the late Dr. Kennedy -- as I did when I was a religious right leader -- fomenting plans to "bring America back to God." If we'd won America would be a slicker more dangerous version of Iran.
Picture America if Sarah Palin was president, both houses of Congress had a deep Republican majority, and the last 30 years of appointments to the Supreme Court had all been far right choices. Picture Fox News as the only TV news with access to the government, and the editors of the New York Times in jail for "treason."

The Religious Right has been awash in anti-democratic (even anti-American) religious ideologues for the better part of 40 years. For instance I knew the founders of the so-called dominionist or "reconstruction" wing of our movement personally, people like the late Reverend Rousas John Rushdoony the father of "Christian Reconstructionism" and the modern Christian home school movement.

.....

Rushdoony's 1973 opus, The Institutes of Biblical Law, says that fundamentalist Christians must "take control of governments and impose strict biblical law" on America and the world. That would mean the death penalty for "practicing homosexuals."
Many evangelical leaders deny holding Reconstructionist beliefs but Beverly and Tim LaHaye (of Concerned Women for Americaand the "Left Behind" novels that glorify religious violence), Donald Wildmon (American Family Association) and the late D. James Kennedy ( Coral Ridge Ministries) -- served alongside Rushdoony on the secretive Coalition for Revival, a group formed in 1981 to "reclaim America for Christ." I went to the early meetings. I first met Tim LaHaye at one such meeting. And what Dobson, Falwell et al were pushing, and what the "tea parties" and Fox News are all about today, is one or another version of the Rushdoony/theocracy version of the Iranian mullahs American-style.

When there are tens of thousands of Americans sitting in evangelical churches every Sunday wherein President Obama is vilified as an "abortionist," a "Communist," a "secret Muslim," and even as "the Antichrist," when the former vice president accuses our President of what amounts to treason, all because President Obama won't allow the torture of prisoners in an American version of holy war, all because he has decided it is wise to build bridges of respect to Muslim countries, we've left recognizable political territory and entered the realm of violence-inciting hate and delusion of the kind Iran's "supreme leader" indulges in.

.....

Picture the harshest Old Testament laws applied at home and the harshest neoconservative military policy abroad and that would be America if the Republicans had everything they wanted. We'd be in three wars now instead of two - Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran. It would be open season on domestic surveillance. Torture would be legal. Habeas Corpus would be a thing of the past. Women would be in prison for having had abortions. Gay men and women would be hounded and if they were murdered there would be leaders saying they had it coming. The CIA and FBI would be operating inside the USA to crush dissent. Blackwater (and other companies like it) would be taking over more and more military duties and operating internationally as a mercenary death squad.

Look at Iran and give thanks that the Republican Party -- the tool of America's mullahs married to the Neocon war mongers -- is in decline and has been rejected by the American people. Work to keep America secular, free and democratic.
Stay vigilant. Having failed at the ballot box the Republicans and their far right hate-filled supporters are beginning to foment violence with their crazy anti-Obama talk and hysteria. The battle between oppressive religion and freedom is not over yet-- not in Iran, nor here in America.




A warning which must not be unheeded.


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Mrs. Overall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-20-09 08:38 PM
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13. K & R
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-23-09 10:34 AM
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14. Just read this
Deserves a kick.
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