Would you support the Iranian revolution if it was revealed the CIA orchestrated the whole thing?

Period.

Certain people in Israel still want to bomb Iran. Though I haven't heard anything in the last week the bombing agenda proceeded long after Obama was in office and even seemed to heat up - all the while Israel was invading and destroying the Gaza Strip.

The vote protest is the worst thing that could happend to Israel's plan. People in this country are getting educated and it is probably impacting the young more than anyone else. They are finding that a grand per cent of the Iranian population is their age and likes some of the same things - voting, caring, trying to push justice and truth, plus the fashionable stuff with electronics, clothing, socializing. They are finding that the youth of Iran are very favorable to the European pop culture and maybe people like us in the U.S. They don't want a religious choke hold and a big mouth President.

The picture we finally have is not good for Israel. Bombing Israel is now on a different level. Propaganda that all Iranians hate ALL of us is wrong. They know easily enough who hates them and wants them as collateral damage.

There is nothing for the Mossad or those who side with and have always sided with Israel about the bombing.

Not bombing Iran is a broken promise between the U.S. and Isreal. Cheney's time rant out. Seems there mahy also be some practical Generals.

Now we have a very good look at 70% of the populatin. (Is it 70?)

Perhaps I missed something big - how would the Mossad benefit by leading it?

Butting in was our specialty at one time.

The Iranians are not intelligent enough to rise up in anger against a regime, they had to be manipulated by the CIA.


Whatever the CIA did or did not do is irrelevent.


This is an Iranian movement. It builds on the protests of 1999 and 2003, and even the candlelight vigil of 9/12/2001.

Yeah great, you run with that shit.

because if you are saying DEFINITIVELY that this is a coup, and that you are suggesting that everything that happens outside of the US is orchestrated, then...well...you run with that shit.

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Is that what you are insinuating?

You didn't answer the question. And last time I checked this "popular uprising" hasn't resulted in any refugee migrations, so how are you some sort of "expert"?

documentary...so what is your point.

see my above reply, yes, its possible that there is involvement by others, although the idea of having Mousavi blindly following the mossad (as someone else suggested) is retarded, do you really think there is any value, at this time, in suggesting that this is ALL RUN BY SPOOKS or whatever...

I definitely do not denigrate people that put their ass on the line in front of cops thats for sure.

..who said that assuming "The Iranians are not intelligent enough to rise up in anger against a regime... is racist"

S/he's speaking about less than 1% of the population, so the accusation is more than a bit silly, well deserving of the OP's derision. But #4's accusation is pathetic for other reasons as well.

resentment against the regime is very widespread.


Contact your local Iranian expatriate community and talk to them, they will explain why.

I strongly doubt it.

From the Iranian desk in Langley. Propaganda distributed, anti-government forces rallied, supplies, contacts and communications all provided.



Pro-monarchy, anti-Mosaddeq demonstrators,
Tehran, 19 August 1953.

They seem to be too busy playing good spy/bad spy and CYA to pull off anything this well organized.

The CIA is not invincible, nor do they control everything.

The poll question is IF they were behind it would you support it. Try reading for a change.

as the cia usually isn't successful in these situations. But i do support the cause, but the people wouldn't. And the evidence shows too that even if the cia did orchestrate it(or in whatever way spark it), the amount of peoplesupporting it and the kind of impacts that's devoloped goes wayy beyond the cia and would make their efforts completely insignificant in comparison.

then we'll talk :)

There could very well have been outside groups working as influencers -- it could even be as Khamenei claims, that someone from outside planted the seed that the election was "stolen" from Mousavi.

However, it all rather becomes moot, I think. There can be no doubt that there is a completely genuine organic surge of disatisfaction being expressed by ordinary Iranians, whether they were given a nudge by an outside agency or not.

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The vast majority of protesters are genuine and they are doing a great thing, but I do believe that there are people working behind the scenes to support them for not so noble reasons. I am sure the CIA and the oil interests are up to no good right now, but that should not reflect on the vast majority protesters themselves.

... we shouldn't even be asking if Iranians are idiot-morons.

after our giant clusterfuck in Iraq. So I'm not looking at the causes as to my opinion on a potential revolution there.

However, the CIA has few success stories in my book and is probably preoccupied right now with ANSWER, and other "highly dangerous" threats to the US. :sarcasm:

On the other hand, if the CIA was involved here, and actually things were going they way it wanted to help bump Iran toward freedom and democracy, it might in some small measure make up for what it did 50 years ago in overthrowing democracy there and putting the Shah in power.

the purpose may have been to stir up enough of a rebellion against the government so that outside forces could come in and finish the job, violently changing the regime. The current protestors are against all violence and want only peace. If the CIA now supports that same goal, then good for them, but I would not endorse outside interference due to past experiences.

The protesters are for the most part young and well educated and have good use of technology. Combine that with 30& unemployment and limited opportunities for these younger people, especially women. With such a younger population there was eventually going to be a clash between different segments of society in Iran. The election was just the starting point but there are underlying factors that have been festering for a long time and to say the CIA totally manipulated it all would be ignoring the shifts in pure simple demographics in Iran.

If the CIA is involved, let them have their mullahs and their crazy holocaust denier leaders. Only if the CIA is involved though. If not? Well then I support them in anything they want!

:wtf: :shrug: :rofl:

...is still not over. I have a feeling you'll get many fewer votes than if you'd waited till Act Three, when speculation and video snippets are replaced by some real information, nomatter how glum and unsensational. And while the hype-rush is wearing off, as it always does, there are still many who have become vicarious emotional investors and who are not yet willing or able to take a step back from a wild media-induced political oversimplification and even begin to learn the history between the United States and Iran, much less flesh out their 2 dimensional understanding of Moussavi.

It makes an excellent (consciously or subconsciously-chosen) distraction from the fight for tenuous liberties here at home. Even rooting for a team you know little about, when you can barely see the field through the smoke is a preferable alternative to something which might require physical action or discomfort- the price of maintaining Liberty HERE, for ourselves.

Your poll is thought-provoking but it almost doesn't matter whether the CIA is behind it or not- it's a matter of whether the American public undergoes the necessary periodic Liberty catharsis which takes its collective mind off the less banner-waving realities here at home. And if it's a good show most people won't care who produced or directed it- or even if it's based on a true story.

PB

try again.

This fight for pluralism is gong on a little longer than the CIA.

I know some folks need to believe that if I cross the street in Mexico City, the CIA was behind me crossing that city...

Now there will be meddling... I am sure... but NOT right now...

Try reading a history of what happened after Solidarity won. You could have an easier time making that case, since that is more likely at this stage. By a mile.

Who cares if the CIA orchestrated it when it comes to getting rid of the Hateful One and Supreme Leader? I mean, it's pretty impossible for the CIA to orchestrate something this big, but for those who think the CIA has the powers of God, I guess they can keep on dreamin'. I would rather they have nothing to do with it and I'm sure they don't with this administration. But if the CIA could somehow get this going, then it means that there was already a want for revolution in the first place.

As it is, we are keeping a very hands off approach, which is the correct way to go. All we can do is hope that these asshole dictatorships are eventually overthrown and that they don't acquire nuclear weapons and blow up the world in the mean time. Kinda sucks having little control over it.

:evilgrin:

I highly doubt they've had any significant hand in this, though they are probably plotting right now how to make Ahmadinejad's and Khamenei's beards fall out. :eyes:

urban areas. Who goes marching down a country road? (Cindy and the supporters are the exception - Crawford.)

agenda?

:argh:

They have made it quite clear they do not want our help. This is where our new found respect for Iranians must begin. We must first watch and learn from them. Hopefully this will help end our dreaded history of always ending up on the wrong side of them.......even when we are only trying to help. Iran has the potential of becoming a great alli to America. The desire is there. We just have to quit allowing our republicans to slam doors in their face.

A coup, and small civil war, these things can be orchestrated by the CIA.

A series of extremely popular protests involving over a million citizens in the entire nation, and the entire spectrum of the opposition? Beyond impossible. At some level the Iranian people had to be involved.

But occam's razor. The most probable answer is the most likely one.

Ahmadinejad was a very unpopular ruler amongst the secular masses that make up 70% of the population of Iran. Khameinei helped him steal a election because Khameinei was never legitimately placed as ayatollah and is power hungry, not to mention extremely paranoid. The people got pissed for being ignored, they rioted.

think every damn thing is a conspiracy?

You know, the variety that believes the CIA is behind everything. The type that for all their howling about the CIA, they are amazingly still posting here (and in other corners of the internet) and not in the Super Duper Uber Top Secret CIA Gulag For Those Who See Through the Charade.

I've kept a close eye on the media reports, but can only find things like 'tens of thousands' and 'maybe even hundreds of thousands', but they never give their source for the vague numbers.

Thanks for asking!
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/19/world/middleeast/19iran.html?_r=1
The voting figure is available here
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/publications/papers/view/-/id/755/