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masuki bance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:07 AM Original message |
700 NYC teachers are paid (65 million) to do nothing |
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NYC_SKP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. Having been a teacher in a "progressive" state (California). |
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Mike 03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
115. That is what scares me away from being a teacher. NT |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
2. Bitch about unions elsewhere. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Here seems fine |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Didn't realize that was a problem |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. I guess I get defensive and notice it |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. You can count me as in your corner |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #15 |
20. Thank you |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
71. No Anti-Union Sentiment Here |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. He's upset that Japanese auto manufacturers make superior products. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I don't think it's fair that retired auto workers are losing benefits |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Not according to this article... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #17 |
78. GM retirees are losing their health insurance, aren't they? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #13 |
21. Anti union defender post #1 |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. If you UAW members wanted people to buy more American cars... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
55. You are grossly overestimating the power a union has |
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babythunder (342 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
56. What alternate universe do you live in |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #40 |
72. Silly |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
74. That's bullshit |
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Irreverend IX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:34 PM Response to Reply #74 |
97. The only one rationalizing is you. |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
41. Oh, I'm not anti-union at all. I'm a union man. |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 06:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
75. They are better |
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Winterblues (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 11:10 AM Response to Reply #21 |
104. Do you recognize any problem here at all? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:09 PM Response to Reply #104 |
105. That makes too much sense |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
60. Big fat lie! |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. Really? How many recs did this thread get? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #2 |
22. Right. It is only permissible to bitch about students with disabilities here. |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #22 |
32. Way to ignore the facts in that thread |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. If that were one of the facts, you might have had a point. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
61. The teachers' unions have become a 3rd rail of Dem policy. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #2 |
28. not all unions or union rules are a good thing. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. That's complete bullshit |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #42 |
91. it's not bullshit in chicago. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:41 AM Response to Reply #91 |
99. The Chicago teachers union is an affiliate of my union |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:09 AM Response to Reply #99 |
101. you're just another part of the problem. sheesh... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:34 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. Yep 30 years of not earning what I'm worth. 30 years of buying school supplies |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:14 PM Response to Reply #28 |
62. Calling the "teachers unions" unions is an insult to unions and makes them look bad. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
79. The teachers unions care more about the kids than most administrators do |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Given how crappy administrators are that's a really low bar you are setting. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. LOL I'll give you that one |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #79 |
92. how does protecting crappy teachers with tenure show concern for the students, exactly...? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
100. There is this thing called a contract that school districts agree to abide by |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
108. How does the fact that someone accused a teacher |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #28 |
66. Oh, and another thing, I do not think unions are automatically good. In my ideal co-op-based... |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #66 |
93. how would that work with teacher/police/fire dept/etc.. unions...? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
3. I was wondering when this would be posted here. |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
4. It would cost them less if they just let them stay home while the accusations are pending |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:19 AM Response to Original message |
6. In my district they are assigned clerical positions |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #6 |
12. A reasonable solution. |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:39 AM Response to Reply #6 |
19. There has never been an issue in my district that hasn't been |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:22 AM Response to Original message |
8. Getting paid to do nothing |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. You quit more than one such job for that reason? I'd like to hear the story. Thanks. |
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notesdev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:58 AM Response to Reply #10 |
27. Which one? |
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ieoeja (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
46. Same thing in private enterprise. |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #46 |
57. I have not seen it most of the places I work |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
51. that's a luxury to be able to quit a job because you don't like your co-workers |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #27 |
69. Yikes, I'd be embarassed too! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
11. Anti-union attack piece. |
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spoony (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
54. That cuts right to the heart of it. |
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surrealAmerican (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:42 PM Response to Reply #11 |
58. Yup. Just why is the school district taking months or even years ... |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
14. Bogus. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:37 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Um yes they do |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #18 |
111. Um, no they don't |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. At the top end, ours make more than that. |
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jpljr77 (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:01 PM Response to Reply #14 |
29. Incorrect. |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:26 PM Response to Reply #14 |
65. that's ~ what the teacher's in our area earn |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
23. Well, perhaps there is something wrong with the disciplinary process, yes? |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
24. Why So Long to Get Disciplinary Hearings? A Year? An Outrage |
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Ikonoklast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #24 |
81. NashVegas FTW. |
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donco6 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
25. Sounds like they need to shift funds to dispute resolution. |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
30. the City needs to expedite hearings |
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devilgrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
31. That settles it!!!! CLOSE ALL THE SCHOOLS!!!! THEY'RE A BANE OF SOCIETY!!!! |
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PVnRT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
33. How many police officers under investigation/suspension in NYC are getting the same deal? |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. in chicago, cops get a 30-day notice of any 'random' drug-testing... |
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masuki bance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. That's a good one. nt |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #35 |
70. How CONVENIENT! |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #70 |
94. however- if you crack up the squad car...you gotta make pee-pee in a cup a lot sooner. |
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Laelth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:26 PM Response to Original message |
34. K&R for labor. |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
36. I call bullshit |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. What makes you think they are all bad teachers? |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. I don't |
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masuki bance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 02:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. The principals aren't in the union? nt |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. Principals are management |
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TimesSquareCowboy (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
37. Solution: Hear cases faster. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
38. Someone made a documentary about this. |
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SoCalDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 01:34 PM Response to Original message |
45. That photo brought back memories of Jury Duty. |
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Liberal_in_LA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
52. 'This American Life' has a segment about this |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
53. Sign me up! |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 04:49 PM Response to Original message |
59. And DUers wonder why many people hate the teachers' unions. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. So these teachers are all guilty in your eyes? |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. No, of course not. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #73 |
77. I don't understand why this would be the union's fault |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. If a teacher turns out crappy and he or she has gotten tenure it's hard to get rid of them. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Tenure is a state law |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
86. It's the unions that lobby for it. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Unions aren't the reason we have tenure laws |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:23 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Doh, my bad. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. And those rules are agreed to by the school board |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 09:36 AM Response to Reply #59 |
98. False statement. |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #59 |
112. This isn't the fault of the teacher. It's the fault of management for not |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:17 PM Response to Original message |
64. Blame the union because teachers have to wait months/years for a hearing? |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. A compromise solution... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 05:28 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Or pay a couple mil to get faster hearings. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
76. It is not at all difficult to fire a teacher for sexual misconduct. |
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roody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
80. If the administrators were doing their jobs, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 08:20 PM Response to Reply #80 |
88. Bingo |
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cagesoulman (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 09:58 PM Response to Original message |
95. "Cohen said she was charged with using abusive language when a girl cut her with scissors." |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #95 |
102. What do you want to bet the girl who cut her is back in school? |
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AwakeAtLast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #95 |
114. The teacher/union bashers in this thread seem to have missed that little point. |
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cagesoulman (648 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jun-23-09 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
96. It's not the union--it's the fucking district. |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 10:18 AM Response to Original message |
103. wow, they can't just be fired for no reason? |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
106. interesting how some used this as an opening to attack unions |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:14 PM Response to Reply #106 |
109. most people have no job protection at all |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 02:15 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. I'm one.... not in the Union |
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montanto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-24-09 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
110. I'm so sick of people who don't know shit about this topic |
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