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laststeamtrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:22 AM Original message |
Brent Scowcroft on Al Jazeera: "US Has Spies On the Ground in Iran" |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:24 AM Response to Original message |
1. Bad timing, dummy. |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:29 AM Response to Reply #1 |
7. It was perfect timing |
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dorkulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:08 PM Response to Reply #7 |
69. Hmm. That sounds like a bunch of speculative horseshit to me. |
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FSogol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
2. Treason? n/t |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
23. What, in Iran? |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #23 |
63. The CIA was very likely behind the other colored revolutions in Georgia and the Ukraine too. n/t |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. White Man's Burden for the 21st century. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. These absurd false dichotomies won't persuade anyone either way. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:28 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. There's possibly a lethal parasite sucking the 'good, the money, and the future' out of America. n/t |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:25 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Your so called puppet masters will dump the USA! USA! USA! as soon as it makes sense to them. n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:31 AM Response to Original message |
3. That shouldn't come as a surprise, but probably should be kept |
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lapfog_1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:33 AM Response to Original message |
4. I'm sure this is not a big secret. |
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Democracyinkind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:40 AM Response to Original message |
5. Unfortunatly, we have more than just spies on the ground in Iran |
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arcadian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:33 AM Response to Original message |
6. Not according to some on DU |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Who said that we don't have any spies in Iran? n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
8. Naww. The benevolent and democracy loving CIA is spying on Iran? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Isn't it kind of a *good* thing that we have spies in Iran? n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. No. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. How do you suggest the U.S. gather intelligence on Iran? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. It would probably be more reliable. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Now that's just sophistry, to be blunt. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Why? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. No, spying has not led to those things. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. You're assuming these mythical NK spies actually know and tell the truth... |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. I'm not assuming anything. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Part of the official story and even the liberal critique... |
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4lbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. We got into Iraq because Bush made plans for invasion pretty much the day after he was sworn in |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. Of course. Nevertheless, "human intelligence" was wielded to that end... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. How has that worked so far? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #46 |
51. And you'd apparently rather ask politely what unfriendly nations are up to. |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
70. Every country spies on every other country. Way of the world. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:57 PM Response to Reply #19 |
57. We spy on our ALLIES |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. "We" "spy" on our own elected officials, and on millions of other people at home. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. I am definitely not for domestic spying |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. ... and destabilize their governments. n/t |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #18 |
44. Of course it would be! |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
26. Cut a peace deal and get observers. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #26 |
34. "Observations" of what? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. "Human intelligence" is one of the better ways to get people killed for nothing. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:25 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. You're not terribly familiar with history if you think that good spies are not invaluable. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:31 PM Response to Reply #41 |
45. Actually, you're not paying attention if you haven't noticed that most spies are not "good spies" |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:49 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Oh, Jebus. I just realized I'm about to be drawn into a discussion about the CIA |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Your declaration of intellectual bankruptcy is acknowledged. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
21. How do you feel about Iranian spies stirring up shit in Washington DC? |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. You are conflating spying with "stirring up shit" They are not synonymous. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. How do you know they're "only" spying? They've always stirred up shit in Iran. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #25 |
33. I'd be very surprised if there wasn't a mix of "spies" and "agents" |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
42. You didn't read the passage. It's about Iraq being used as a platform to destabilize IRAN. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
50. And you apparently didn't read the portion of my post that made clear that I don't approve |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Spying on foreign governments invariably means lying to domestic publics. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. I sure as hell hope we do. |
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Bucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
12. Well, at least he didn't name them. That's at least progress. |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. I beg to differ. Naming them might be illuminating for anyone who cares for the truth. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Oh, so you're down with Rove naming Plame? |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I didn't particularly care. |
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Raskolnik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:13 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Do you want any spies in North Korea named publicly as well? n/t |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:39 PM Response to Reply #36 |
49. I'd recommend starting by naming all domestic operatives of the CIA and Co. |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:30 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. Don't forget about Division 5 of the FBI! n/t |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
13. Oh, great |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. and if you want to prop the khamenei and Ahmamenidad of the world... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
15. Everybody knows this, but you don't announce it, dummy. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 01:57 PM Response to Original message |
17. I bet we do but he should shut his mouth. He is right though in that we can do little to stop |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:25 PM Response to Original message |
27. The reaction on this thread is more revealing than Scowcroft's obvious "admission." |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Jack here is one thing I learned a long time ago about nation states |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:45 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. And are you pretending that all the US does in Iran is to "spy"? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Wrong, it started in as soon as the revolution succeeded |
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JackRiddler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. The current phase started under the Bush regime, but you can go back to 1946 or 1953... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. They're still part of the 'Axis of Evil' - right? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #37 |
60. Having some front line knowledge from the CA wars |
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ControlledDemolition (901 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:32 PM Response to Reply #37 |
66. Operation Paperclip got the original ball rolling. n/t |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
61. we had spies in Soviet Union during the collapse also |
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jeanpalmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:19 PM Response to Original message |
62. Of course we do |
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