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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:25 AM
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"Nothing you post on an internet forum is helping to get anything done anywhere." Agree?
This was a response by another DUer to one of my recent posts. I disagree because I have been here long enough to know this is not true. Otherwise we are just venting and spouting feckless opinions here (although that does occur also).

I would like to hear what others say and maybe read some examples. I believe however small, we do help to get things done and changed by our postings and if it helps even one person then it is worth it.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:29 AM
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1. Tell that to Trent Lott, Jeff Gannon and Howard Kaloogian.
it was we left wing extremist "little people" on the internet who got those stories into the mainstream media!

:headbang:
rocktivity
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Gormy Cuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:29 AM
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2. Disagree, but ..
I think internet postings are far less effective than other ways to accomplish change.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:29 AM
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3. The seach engines index DU pretty well.
People seach for someone or something, and up pops a post at DU, often filled with facts not easily obtained through normal channels. I suspect a few people have had their eyes opened a bit wider, or at least did some research on their own, after reading a DU post they came upon quite by accident.

The world is a much smaller place now, I've learned a lot over the years from the things people have posted here. I don't always agree with others, but I do try to keep an open mind on most things.
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:59 PM
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8. that's why I came here, kept showing up on the search engines!
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Seldona Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:27 PM
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24. That pretty much describes how I got here.
Looking into electronic voting issues, and found DU. Haven't left since, though my star poofed. :(

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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:30 AM
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4. IMHO...If the post is made to inform/share...there is hope of transfer
if the post was to make noise/dilute...then expect manini stuphs
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:30 AM
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5. We have been quoted on Rush, in print, on tv...people DO pay attention.
I think it is a bit much to say "nothing you post" is making a difference. It may be tough to measure the impact of internet forums, but the fact of the matter is, lots of movers and shakers do read them. It couldn't hurt.

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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:00 PM
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10. Oh that's right! CNN TV showed DU during the 2008 election a couple times
that I remember.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:32 AM
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6. It has helped me refine arguments, given me great resources for those
arguments.
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 12:42 PM
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7. For the most part I agree with that, but there are exceptions.
And we never know what those exceptions will be unless we say something. It may not work often, but being silent never works.
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BuyingThyme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:00 PM
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9. Total bullshit.
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:10 PM
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11. Occasionally a heterodox, dissenting view will reach someone who is mainstream...
...but by and large I tend to agree w/that sentiment.

Mainstream, "normal" ways of perceiving and thinking are what holds people back from striving toward greater individuated and collective potential. Many of the things considered good, right and normal are exactly what keeps people from reacting/responding the way they could/should. Hence the reason such uniformity is exalted from cradle to grave: keep the ant colony functioning the way its owners want it to, which requires the ants be laboring under the illusion of freedom/democracy, doing the "right thing" by obeying corporate culture "values" and directives, etc

So, yeah, I can post that online, but aside from a few agreeing, many disagreeing, not much, if anything, comes of it.

Now, if you're asking about what the process of writing can do for an individual...that's a whole other story as writing - even a stream of consciousness type of expression - can be beneficial in many ways for the person doing it. That doesn't mean, however, that it has any substantial impact out and away from the subjective process though.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:10 PM
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12. All of The Work cannot be done here, but a very very important part of it IS done here and all
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 01:11 PM by patrice
over the internet.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 01:15 PM
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13. Nobody here should agree with that.
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 02:01 PM by EFerrari
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:33 PM
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14. Note the words used in the quote: "nothing", "anything", "anywhere".
"Nothing you post on an internet forum is helping to get anything done anywhere."

Those 3 words make the statement virtually useless. If even 1 thing posted on an internet forum helps to get something done, there goes "nothing". That same thing also destroys "anything" and "anywhere".

Internet posts are a starting point that motivates people, brings like-minded people together for action, and they educate people and help them to solidify their ideas and arguments. No, internet forum posts are not everything, but they are a tool from which positive and effective things may and do spring forth and that certainly is something. To believe that internet forum posts are not useful and can be valuable is simply short sighted thinking.
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old mark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:47 PM
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15. While I definitely say we should be spreading our views/demands/opinons
amongst the rest of the world via posting on "real" sites such as MSNBC, CNN, even the stupid Fox as well as emailing our various congress persons and other elected officials, there is certainly a great need for us to get our opinions etc known among ourselves. We do have different views - we are not like the RW robots who dare not differ. We actually have THOUGHTS and FEELINGS and are not afraid of empathy and even (gasp) humor.

Some of you guys are real assholes, but you are assholes on my side of the fence and I am better for having access to your ideas.

mark
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:55 PM
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18. LOL!
:applause:
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el_bryanto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:49 PM
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16. You should make a poll
But somewhat true and somewhat false. The thing is whether or not you carry what you learn and discuss here elsewhere. If your participation at DU is whole disconnected from the rest of your life, well, it's probably not accomplishing much.

Bryant
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:54 PM
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17. I think it's a nonsense, luddite oppinion derived from the notion that activism must look like...
...something out of the 60s and 70s to be "real" activism. The Internet has changed the nature of activism forever.
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kjackson227 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 02:57 PM
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19. I've heard Thom Hartmann reference a comment from a thread on DU...
on his radio show one day, and other media people use barackobama.com all the time. I think posting does help to a certain extent.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:00 PM
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20. That is the usual response of an asshole who just wants to say SHUT THE FUCK UP!
But doesn't have the balls.
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LaydeeBug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:01 PM
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21. tell that to 'kos. nt
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:11 PM
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22. Could we have elected Obama without the internet? n/t
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CreekDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 03:14 PM
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23. I think my Lounge poll about Donny Osmond helped answer a vital question
:think:
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