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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:45 PM Original message |
Just so we're clear: Single-Payer is the CENTRIST position |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
1. More Americans support the public option which provides for a private insurance option. n/t |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. See #7 & #11 here |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. More data on majority support for single-payer |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:50 PM Response to Reply #37 |
55. The first one is inaccurate reading of the question asked in the NYT/CBS poll |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:26 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. The question is about national health insurance |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 06:15 AM Response to Reply #58 |
72. Back then??? it was this month! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #72 |
102. Read the poll again. They first asked the question in 1979. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #102 |
110. What does the fact that they have polled the exact same question |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Why cede to the tyranny of the majority, rather than do the "right thing" |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. The needs of the many... |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:19 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Exactly, and the needs of the many are served by Single-Payer. |
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Butch350 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Thank-you for making the point. |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
23. Yes you do, if you want to get any kind of reform passed. Purists would rather fail than get a step |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Maybe this isn't a step in the right direction. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 05:45 PM Response to Reply #23 |
40. This is not a step in the right direction |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 04:16 AM Response to Reply #23 |
70. A public option may or may not be a step in the right direction |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:23 AM Response to Reply #70 |
80. That's exactly what I see happening with public option |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
81. Not at $7,000 per person it's not, and if it's less the poor corporations can't "compete". |
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kenny blankenship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:26 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Particularly since there's no numerical basis for the tyranny |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #21 |
88. You want another issue like that? |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:28 PM Response to Reply #12 |
22. Ask the OP "It's supported by the majority of Americans". |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. I don't think it is |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:09 PM Response to Reply #28 |
38. , |
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ihavenobias (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:25 PM Response to Reply #28 |
44. EXACTLY. Imagine if people were informed and not pumped full of misinformation from Fox, Rush, etc. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 06:50 AM Response to Reply #44 |
73. This has been my central point |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:06 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. it is. |
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pauldg0 (608 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
68. Wouldn't single payer be for the uninsured initially? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
95. HR676 phases in a full single-payer system |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #1 |
19. We must have a public option |
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Romulox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
3. Thank you for the OP. We've been pretending that radical capitalism is the "neutral" position |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, it is. It's almost conservative. |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
5. I'd say that in American politics that the public option is roughly middle of the road |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:10 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Not in government and that is the point |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. That's because we keep electing center-right corporate butt monkeys |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. The "public option" is a new concept to the American debate really |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Single payer does NOT "socialize" health care... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
27. Exactly. It socializes health *insurance* |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:13 AM Response to Reply #27 |
63. Have you been drinking? |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:34 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Uh oh. Looks like someone just finished their socialism unit in Poli Sci 101 |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:02 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. The second step |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:23 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. And yet somehow, with all this alleged experience... |
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Fedja (544 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #67 |
106. Wasn't being pompous. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 06:56 AM Response to Reply #27 |
75. Where can we vote for you? nt |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 06:53 AM Response to Reply #5 |
74. That is because |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #5 |
98. SINGLE-PAYER IS NOT "SOCIALIST" |
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PHIMG (814 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
7. SINGLE PAYER = Win for the Tax Payer |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. And for whichever party implements it |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
10. I agree to an extent, except.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. But it won't become more progressive |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
11. Single-payer is about as radical as the local fire department |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:15 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Less actually |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:36 PM Response to Reply #13 |
39. Can you imagine a Repuke-style fire department? |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #39 |
109. You had a grease fire last year |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:24 PM Response to Original message |
20. "free-market competition" is NOT a right-wing corporate position |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:33 PM Response to Reply #20 |
25. But why must insurance, in the scope of the country, include "free-market competition" at all? |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. good point. and what competition there is takes a very odd form. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
82. Collusion is far more profitable than competition and the insurance industry |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #20 |
29. You're confusing conservatism and fascism |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. i didn't use either of those terms. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:11 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. You're looking for the term "Corporatism" |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 07:07 AM Response to Reply #43 |
76. Whatever it is we have it. nt |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. As far as the notion of insurance goes, the logic seems to be the exact opposite than imagined. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 07:10 AM Response to Reply #41 |
77. +1, Selatius. Nice. nt |
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glitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
24. Thank you jgraz, K & R nt |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. the right-wing corporate position does NOT include a public option.,, |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:58 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Sorry, but the so-called "public option" is the equivalent of school vouchers |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. That is such BS. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:19 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Wow, "BS"... "bizarro-world"... you're quite the erudite debater |
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mwooldri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
32. In which case I'm a left wing loonie.... |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. You and me both, comrade. |
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incapsulated (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
42. But not the profitable one for politicians |
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Catshrink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:34 PM Response to Original message |
45. amen! |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 06:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. Why yes, It most Certainly Is!! Thank you for pointing that out to the less observant! |
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robinlynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:29 PM Response to Original message |
48. right on. right on! |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 08:57 PM Response to Original message |
50. Maybe in your bizarro-world. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. I see the propaganda still works on some folks |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:52 AM Response to Reply #50 |
92. Nonsense. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. OK, I'm changing my answer to yours |
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kenfrequed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #97 |
107. no problem |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:00 PM Response to Original message |
52. Show me just one example |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 10:03 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Well played, sir. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:08 PM Response to Original message |
56. Thank you. +1000. |
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dpbrown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:15 PM Response to Original message |
57. Fucking A right! |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-25-09 11:28 PM Response to Original message |
59. I'll take 10 of those please! |
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farmboxer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:16 AM Response to Original message |
60. Europe can afford it. Norway can afford it, Canada |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:33 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Not only can we afford it, we could probably pay for Norway and Canada |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:57 AM Response to Reply #60 |
84. ding ding ding |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:41 AM Response to Original message |
62. I hate to say this but if Obama doesn't get at least the public option he's failed |
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Strong Atheist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:57 AM Response to Reply #62 |
93. Belated Welcome to DU! |
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craigmatic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #93 |
108. thanks |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:17 AM Response to Original message |
64. And the corallary is also true: The Republican support for the status quo is extreme far right |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 04:12 AM Response to Original message |
69. I have to ask. |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
90. The same thing most people consider socialized medicine |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 12:13 PM Response to Reply #90 |
94. I'll take one of those, please. |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 05:55 AM Response to Original message |
71. Where are Local Government entities in the Single Payer Fight? |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
100. The right-wing looney legislature of poor benighted Arizona |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Ask then to issue euthanasia pills to those who can't get health care. |
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nyc 4 Biden (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
78. Can someone help me out with a question I have?? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:46 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. Only if you believe that the Republik party and their DLC3rdNewBlueDog counterparts |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
79. Who says anyone here is defending "what we have now"? n/t |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:48 AM Response to Reply #79 |
91. No one *here* is defending it, per se |
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kctim (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
85. Do any of you actually know any moderate Dems or people on the right? |
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AllyCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 09:22 AM Response to Original message |
86. Thank you! That's exactly right! |
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Downwinder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:01 AM Response to Reply #86 |
87. How many avoid driving on socialized highways? n/t |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
89. knr nt |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
96. Hey, CBO. Analyze this!!! |
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jgraz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:05 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Hmmm ... for some reason, the CBO isn't analyzing single-payer benefits. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 01:12 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. I wonder if the Progressive Caucus |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
103. Single payer is about insurance. Socialized medicine is about medical treatment. nt |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-26-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
105. Insurance/Medical Industry are opposed to both Medicare for All and a strong public option |
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