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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:40 PM
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100 Years from Now: Louis Armstrong or Micheal Jackson?
Curious....who will be best remembered for their musical talent? MJ sold a lot more albums, but will history think he's more important than Satchmo?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:42 PM
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1. They don't compete. A semi-interesting question would be MJ/Elvis.
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4lbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:36 PM
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30. Eh, I don't give Elvis Presley much credit for anything.
King of Rock'n'Roll my ass.

Give me Chuck Berry and Little Richard any day.

They are the real pioneers of 1950s rock'n'roll.
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ibegurpard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:43 PM
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2. I suspect that both will still be known
n/t
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:46 PM
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3. Like asking whether we'll forget french toast because we discovered ice cream.
The palate can enjoy both.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:07 PM
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16. Perhaps, but MJ was in my generation...yet I really never paid much attention.
OTOH, I've started listening to Louis in the past 5 years...his music seems timeless to me. Maybe both will be remembered..maybe neither, but I'm trying to put things in perspective.
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:14 PM
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20. I grew up near New Orleans, and during MJ's reign
So I listened to both. Both were originals. My sixteen year old music-nut daughter grew up in Texas in a post-Nirvana era, and she loves both. She's been as upset as me today, and she can recognize Sachmo the moment she hears his voice.

They are timeless. It's hard for us to hear what is timeless in our own eras.
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:49 PM
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4. Don't underestimate MJ's
Edited on Thu Jun-25-09 10:50 PM by fujiyama
huge influence, especially on dancing. I know his dance moves were idolized in India and Bollywood dances really tried to emulate him. He's huge internationally.

That's not a good comparison of talent though. Armstrong's talent shouldn't be denied and the number of albums sold won't determine greatness. Plus, their genres and styles are totally different.

We'll have a few pop culture artists remembered 100 years from now. Michael Jackson will be among them.
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:49 PM
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5. both
period
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:50 PM
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6. There IS a comparison, because Louis Armstrong was the "king of pop" when
pop happened to be the most vital musical force the world had known. The fact that Michael Jackson's immense talent represents relatively little value says a lot about the demise of American popular music.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:00 PM
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10. Obviously, we'll never know. But
history seems to sort this stuff out. Mozart's music managed to last...I suspect Louis 's trumpet and his brand of music ("Up the Lazy River","Basin St. Blues", "Struttin with Some BBQ") may well resonate in future generations, as well.
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Ron Green Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:12 PM
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19. Louis' gift to the world IS popular music, or at least the elements of it that made possible
Otis Redding, Hank Williams, Django Reinhardt, Elvis Presley, The Beatles, Garth Brooks, and yes, Michael Jackson. He pretty much singlehandedly invented the improvisational method of bluesy arpeggios that form American popular music. Popularity has always been a double-edged sword, both giving currency to the art and stifling it in record-buying hysteria.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:32 PM
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26. Well said!
"Popularity has always been a double-edged sword, both giving currency to the art and stifling it in record-buying hysteria."

I couldn't agree more. It's the eternal problem with marketing music...the initial popularity of selling albums seems to impede the creative genius of future musical endeavors.
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:57 PM
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7. Different styles of music
I suppose Louis Armstrong was big in jazz, the way Michael Jackson was big in pop, and the way Garth Brooks is big in country music.
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VPStoltz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 10:57 PM
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8. No comparison really. Louis Armstrong created a musical style/form/genre.
MJ merely tooled one to fit his unique gifts.
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sam kane Donating Member (326 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:00 PM
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9. the one that didn't molest children.
this is crazy.
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:01 PM
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11. Most remembered? Easy...MJ Most important is a separate question
Without "Good Morning Vietnam," Satchmo is mostly a historical figure right now. Like Robert Johnson.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:02 PM
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12. Neither.
Humankind will be back to drums, if that. Someone is gonna set off a nuke and that will be the end of "civilization" as we know it. Maybe someone will find a trumpet and start to experiment. In that case, Louis Armstrong's music/genre is likely to survive.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:03 PM
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14. there's still people that think we're gonna nuke ourselves to the stone age...?
:eyes:
whatever.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:11 PM
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18. Yep.
I don't think the US will do it -- it's the nutjobs like Kim Jong Il and Ahmadinejad that worry me. Or maybe the global warming denyers will win out and we'll fry. I just don't have a lot of faith in humanity these days.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:02 PM
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13. neither one.
how popular is 19th century music these days...?

there's your answer.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:04 PM
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15. If there is a God I pray Louis Armstrong
"Give me, a kiss to build a dream on"

Billie Jean who?
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:09 PM
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17. "What a Wonderful World"
I get chills when I hear him sing it.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:23 PM
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21. If you can, hear Louis's version of "Don't Get Around Much Anymore"?
Louis on trumpet, with the great Billy Kyles on the piano/Peanuts Hucko on clarinet, is brilliant.
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charlie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:28 PM
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23. I don't think there's much danger of it being otherwise n/t
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:27 PM
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22. 10 years ago ... Louis Armstrong or Jelly Roll Morton? n/t
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:34 PM
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27. Tough one..."Smokehouse Blues" is one of my favorite Morton tunes.
Still...I'd go with Armstrong.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:40 PM
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33. Without Morton, no popular musician would have a pot to piss in.
But, you're probably right.

Talent and contributions to the industry do not make one memorable.

It's all about the marketing.
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MrsBrady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:29 PM
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24. they are both important.
that's like asking if I like air or water better.
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Ex Lurker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:31 PM
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25. Louis Armstrong never molested anybody
I'm stunned at the DU circle jerk over Michael Jackson today.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:35 PM
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28. Neither will be forgotten.
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BoneDaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:35 PM
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29. Christ the stupidity of the world
Michael Jackson was a pedophile. His music was great but his legacy will always be tainted by a sound history of abusive behavior, both done to him and (god bless his money) protected by what he did to others. His music was legendary, but he fucked up and so should his legacy.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:37 PM
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31. can't we have both
If we want too?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:41 PM
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34. I'm not planning to be here in 100 years.
But I am curious what fellow DUers think future generations will be interested in listening to. Personally, I don't think MJ makes the cut...but I'm confidently wrong most of the time. :-)
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raouldukelives Donating Member (945 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:38 PM
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32. That's like..100 yrs from now Woody Guthrie or Madonna?
I'll take the Hot Five over the gloved five.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:47 PM
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35. If, 100 years from now, if people know the lyrics to "This Is Your Land"
than I'll have hope for our future. Sorry, I have no idea what I should remember Madonna for, musically; except for her adoptions.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-25-09 11:51 PM
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36. Louis Armstrong used to have 20 joints at the ready at all times when he was popular
It would be cool to see both of them jam together.

But as for it being one or the other, it's like saying "will people remember Elvis Presley or Bob Dylan..."
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Evoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:32 AM
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37. In the 80's, I went to a small town in Argentina (may have been Miramar).
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 01:33 AM by Evoman
In that town, there where little groups of kids playing Michael Jackson music, and doing his dance moves.

I think people forget just how universal MJ was. Go to any town in any country, and chances are that people will know who Michael Jackson is. Someone that huge will easily last 100 years.
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aaaaaa5a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:55 AM
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38. Michael Jackson! Not even close! NT
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:59 AM
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39. MJ as much because the technology will have kept a better record of his work
Unfortunately Louis Armstrong's recorded works are already so poorly kept that it is hard to appreciate what little was saved.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:00 AM
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40. Jackson was a brilliant songwriter, singer, and showman
Armstrong had all of that, but he also had that incredible virtuoso talent on the trumpet. I liked Satchmo for his singing of pop songs. But that really doesn't get my intense respect as much as his trumpet playing. Satchmo to me is one of the few immortals based on his incredible and innovative musicianship that so influenced America's original art form, jazz. To me, that's what made him truly great, not his pop singing or stage presence. The Beatles, Presley, and Jackson were great themselves, but not among the ranks of the great performing musicians.
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