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Orwellian_Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:46 AM
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Corporate Polluters Helped Write the Obama Administration Climate Bill



Take Action: Tell Congress It Must Do Better

Waxman-Markey Supporters

Congress is poised to squander a historic opportunity to move closer to a clean energy future. The energy and climate bill moving through the U.S. House is based on a proposal from a group that includes Shell Oil, the coal-burning utility Duke Energy, and other corporate polluters.1 These firms — as well as Wall Street traders who call the bill’s carbon markets a "huge playground" where "bucks be made"2 — are backing the bill.

This should be a red flag for progressives.

There's a simple reason polluting and irresponsible corporations support the Waxman-Markey bill: It showers them with hundreds of billions of dollars, but doesn't require them to reduce pollution fast enough to avoid devastating climate change impacts.3 Worse, the bill guts the EPA’s preexisting authority to use the Clean Air Act to reduce this pollution.4 That means the bill is actually counterproductive — enacting it into law would be a step backward. What we need from Congress is much stronger legislation that puts us on a path to the clean energy future President Obama talked about during his campaign.

An energy bill written by corporate polluters is not a solution. Please join us in fighting for change — use the form below to send a message to your representative today and demand a better bill.

http://action.foe.org/t/8815/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=1117

Friends of the Earth president Brent Blackwelder said, “Corporate polluters including Shell and Duke Energy helped write this bill, and the result is that we’re left with legislation that fails to come anywhere close to solving the climate crisis.”
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:48 AM
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1. K&R
Friends of the Earth president Brent Blackwelder said, “Corporate polluters including Shell and Duke Energy helped write this bill, and the result is that we’re left with legislation that fails to come anywhere close to solving the climate crisis.”


Yep.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 11:50 AM
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2. And THAT is why we need to see the White House visitors log
Closed government is corrupt government.
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crickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:06 PM
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3. Yep. -nt
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:27 PM
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4. I'm getting this OVERWHELMING sense of deja vu!
Are we really sure there was a change of power on Jan 20?
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:36 PM
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7. Careful. Drawing comparisons to Bush is against DU canon
You must now post 7 threads professing your desire to bear Obama's love child.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:54 PM
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8. Yeah, but drawing comparisons to Bush SHOULD be impossible.
And instead, it's inevitable.

(I'll get right on those 7 threads, though ;))
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:07 PM
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10. Why do so few seem to GET that?
It should be impossible.

If it's not, we're in trouble.



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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:33 PM
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11. Because they don't *want* to get it
Look at the desperate fingers-in-the-ears attitude of so many on this site. They'd rather get screwed yet again than admit their disappointment and get to work.
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LWolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:41 PM
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12. Yes.
That's exactly what I visualized reading your response title; people with their fingers in their ears, the wool firmly planted over their eyes.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:43 PM
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17. Just the figurehead, is all that changed.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 06:48 AM
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26. Wasn't transparency put in or something?
Shame for me, I haven't kept up.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:28 PM
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5. No surprise there.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:31 PM
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6. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It makes you want to give up and bury your head in the sand.
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BlueJac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 12:57 PM
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9. I knew nothing would be different with Obama...........
same old shit from our bought and paid for government. The promise of open government, fuck I am laughing my head off about all the broken promises. The only thing that will change Washington is a good flushing of the toilet.
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 01:56 PM
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13. And here I thought this was a House bill. If you're curious enough to read it
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 02:02 PM by izzybeans
the text is here. Amendments aren't posted. If you read the bill there is no honest way anyone can draw comparisons to Bush. Does this bill go far enough? Nope. But this has nothing to do with the dishonest arguments being made in this thread.

You'd be better served reading the bill and coming up with your alternative. At least you'd be contributing something intellectually valuable to the climate change discussion.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-h2454/text
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 02:58 PM
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14. Deleted sub-thread
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:25 PM
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20. It's still a bad idea to call someone a liar
(Mind you, moose bites can be pretty nasty!)
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izzybeans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:29 PM
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21. Bad form I'll admit.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 06:31 PM by izzybeans
Though I didn't realize I was singling anyone out. And I was thinking of "dishonest" argument as something different than a lie. Poor choice of words.

Perhaps I should just have just said, the text of the bill isn't all that horrible. It's not great, but it's not horrible. Kinda so so. I wish it were stronger. And I think there are reasons to vote against it. But that the alternatives don't lend themselves to many other options.

My apologies.
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FiveGoodMen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 06:33 PM
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22. My apologies, too.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:52 PM
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24. the opening poster never posts anything but crap like this.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 06:50 AM
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27. Thank you for the link.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 03:01 PM
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15. Cap-and-trade is a good idea, and this is a good implementation.
Obviously the industry is going to be consulted on the bill; we need them to provide detailed explanations of what they believe is and is not possible (and to take their claims in the appropriate context) if we expect the bill to be workable. That doesn't mean "corporate polluters wrote the bill."
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SemiCharmedQuark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:07 PM
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16. I dont know...that self serving polluter Al Gore is for it.
Edited on Fri Jun-26-09 04:07 PM by SemiCharmedQuark
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Telly Savalas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 07:19 AM
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28. I'm surprised to find that your point is folwed in this thread
by a bunch of short vague bumpersticker style snippets of leftist boilerplate, but nobody addresses your point.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:50 PM
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18. K&R, how completely unsurprising.
:eyes::boring:
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 04:59 PM
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19. Lie down with pigs......

k&r
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maryf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-26-09 10:51 PM
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23. Profit over just about anything...:(
K&R
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blindpig Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 06:43 AM
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25. kick n/t
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TBF Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 07:35 PM
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29. Recommended. n/t
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