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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:38 AM Original message |
Kucinich votes against climate change bill |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:44 AM Response to Original message |
1. that dude is the truth barometer |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:47 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Personally, I think it is incredibly sad |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:50 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Kucinich was who I supported |
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bananas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 03:56 AM Response to Reply #3 |
120. I voted for Kucinich in the Primaries after he dropped out. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 07:09 AM Response to Reply #3 |
124. Me too. Kucinich was my candidate |
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sisters6 (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #2 |
12. I smiled as you said--imagine the possibilities----but |
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tomp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:38 AM Response to Reply #2 |
15. it points directly to the immaturity of the nation. |
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Political Heretic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
40. Where can I find out how Pete DeFozio voted? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:31 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Imagine The Possibilities??? |
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U4ikLefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #52 |
111. Sad, but I'm not surprised you made the "effort". |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #2 |
94. Most of the nation never even got a chance to hear him. But somebody here had a great idea, |
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Gman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
101. Obama had the right attitude during the campaign in every way. However |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:22 AM Response to Reply #2 |
128. Imagine the possiblities? He would be the lamest of lame ducks |
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Honeycombe8 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #2 |
129. He could never have been elected, and he knew it. |
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crikkett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:35 AM Response to Reply #1 |
14. spelling police: that would be a corporate teat. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:20 AM Response to Reply #1 |
27. ! |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. Does he really think a better bill could get through Congress? |
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NorthCarolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. I'm quite sure that the reason Kucinich voted against the bill |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:02 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Exactly what to expect |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:04 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Maybe he voted against it because it would hurt working people. nt |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. A no vote is a no vote when it's counted. |
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man4allcats (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #9 |
23. The MSM is composed of idiots, and those who give them credence are likewise idiotic. |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Great Einstein quote, man4allcats. Thanks |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #23 |
74. that's a good one!! |
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SmileyRose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #9 |
30. In his case they usually DO report on why. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:46 AM Response to Reply #9 |
31. And more subsidies to coal is more subsidies to coal when the money gets divved up. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 07:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
125. You have a strong point, Robb. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:07 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. It wont address the problem. In fact, it might make the problem worse. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. Did you listen to Boehner? |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. as a rule, don't believe a word Boehner says |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. He was reading from the bill in front of the House. |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #16 |
80. Boehner is a boob |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #7 |
17. A tax on (fossil fuel) energy is *exactly* what the USA, and the developed world, needs |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You keep saying that "doing nothing" is the default. That's simply not true. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Let's see how people line up on the bill: |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. How about a table showing how much money these individuals received.. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The bill decreases CO2 emissions, without taking into account offsets |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. What I believe is that two factions are battling in this, and neither one of them is us. nt |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #41 |
57. I think the point is that it doesn't reduce emissions until it's too late. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #57 |
92. Too late for what? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. 2030, 2030. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. I don't know. I don't know. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Well Windoze will never work correctly, everybody that had a hope in hell of |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #96 |
112. The worst threat to the environment is not what most people think it is... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 02:35 AM Response to Reply #112 |
118. "It may even already be too late to reverse global warming", Just between you and I, |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. spin. "too weak" isn't why k voted no. try "ineffective, worse than nothing" |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:10 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. Then he would be wrong, if that was actually what he said |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 02:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
116. here's the quote: |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Sounds like it *will* increase coal consumption |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:39 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. But it decreases carbon dioxide emissions |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
63. And what, pray tell, do people like ME do, who have no options? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
68. to get people to use less fuel |
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twitomy (756 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Yeah, when the middle and lower income people |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #68 |
90. So, if you hurt poor folk, so what?? Is that "progressive"? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 04:21 AM Response to Reply #90 |
121. To the contrary: |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:51 PM Response to Reply #121 |
130. Yes, you're obviously NOT INTERESTED IN THE SUFfERING OF POOR FOLK! |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 12:02 PM Response to Reply #7 |
32. I respectfully disagree regarding the building codes and appliances part of your complaint. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
47. What is the constitutional basis for a federal building code? |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #7 |
62. Thank you for understanding that! Except it's ALL poor people, not just "working" poor! |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #62 |
65. Sorry. It was the political animal in me talking. Come and sit with me. |
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bobbolink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #65 |
88. Thank you for understanding! Unfortunately, that TALK leads to ACTION, which leaves me out. |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. Why would I listen to a Republican? |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. A very important point. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. Somebody has to be the standard-bearer |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #10 |
18. The thing is, if something isn't passed before the Copenhagen conference |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
24. Kyoto fixed that. |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:07 PM Response to Reply #18 |
76. not to mention we would be a fucking laughing stock/ |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #10 |
26. Markey has been a leader on this issue since at least the 1990s |
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Better Believe It (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. Didn't Democrats win the last two elections and don't they control Congress |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #4 |
22. "Naive Idealism" -Perfect description! |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 12:43 PM Response to Reply #4 |
35. It is an extremely crappy bill. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
42. Not passing a bill means even more CO2 emissions than now |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. And we what - can't wait two or three weeks to put together a meaningful bill? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
97. Another option could have been to SUPPORT the amendments he offered, not bury them. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. If Kucinich says that we won't even realize most of the benefits for |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 04:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
122. What's wrong with realising benefits in 10 years? |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:32 PM Response to Reply #35 |
53. What provisions of the bill punish those who drive older cars? |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:05 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I have heard that we will be required to scrap our cars |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #54 |
58. A provision like that would price about half the US population out of cars. |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. There was even talk here on DU - some provision inside the |
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Telly Savalas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:49 PM Response to Reply #60 |
100. There's a difference between offering money for someone to trade in a junker |
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Indenturedebtor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:53 PM Response to Reply #100 |
107. And in any case - taking cars of the road will always cause more pollution |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
64. He's not merely "experienced", he's principled; and that is the reason for his vote. |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
126. yep, he didn't act like a politician |
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bigwillq (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
11. Good for Dennis. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:12 AM Response to Original message |
25. Kucinich speaks for me! |
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S_E_Fudd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:31 AM Response to Original message |
29. Lets see...who has more credibility on climate change issues? |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Gore has his own credibility problems in this area |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
55. As Preesident of the Senate back in '93, Gore killed a bill that would have basically |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #55 |
115. join the crowd. i've been dubious of him since he started talking about the |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. No, you mean Al "dollars to Wall Street" Gore. |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #50 |
81. No, you mean Al "dollars to Wall Street" Gore. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 04:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. Considering that when actually had a vote he didn't use to help anybody but the corporations. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 01:59 AM Response to Reply #59 |
114. because he wrote a book/made a film about climate change? have |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #114 |
117. Well, he has always been of the parasite class, he was born into it. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:20 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. You've got that wrong: |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:28 PM Response to Reply #29 |
84. I think we're going to have to put up with some |
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quidam56 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 12:29 PM Response to Original message |
33. Appalachia can't stand anymore mountaintop removal, |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 05:12 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. Exactly! That's an INCREDIBLY important point to bring up. |
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PSzymeczek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:32 PM Response to Reply #61 |
89. Burning the Future |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 12:36 PM Response to Original message |
34. America is the Saudi Arabia of coal, that is an economic and political reality |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
44. Good for Dennis--he must have actually read the bill |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 03:27 PM Response to Original message |
51. Typical Of The Kook. |
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RufusTFirefly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:02 PM Response to Reply #51 |
66. Kook? Bitterly ironic |
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earth mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:33 PM Response to Original message |
69. I'm on the fence about this one. The bill was not good enough... |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #69 |
79. your right the bill is lackluster but it is the best we can get and still better then nothing |
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HughMoran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
70. Yeah, I heard he wasn't the only Dem who was going to vote against it |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 06:38 PM Response to Original message |
72. I remember when Kucinich voted against SCHIP, and then |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. Moonbeam McCrazypants voted against SCHIP? |
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Dragonfli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. Goosestepper Vacuumhead has a brilliant thought to add to the discussion? |
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slipslidingaway (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #72 |
110. First of all Bush had already threatened to veto the SCHIP bill... |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
75. If Kucinich were president, we would be well on our way to a bright new day. |
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NYC Democrat (234 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. no we would be bitching about how congress refuses to back any of his plans. |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #77 |
86. Yep. |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:44 PM Response to Reply #77 |
106. Hmmmm, ....good point :P |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
78. This bill is b.s. |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. A lot of people |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
83. Dennis has one thing that very few politicians hold - my TRUST |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
91. For everyone who is opposed to a cap and trade program |
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ProSense (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 09:26 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Because that robs them of an opportunity to be outraged. |
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femrap (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
102. I thought of him immediately when the vote came down... |
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madville (743 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
103. waiting to see how the senate goes |
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Beacool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:26 PM Response to Original message |
104. I like Kucinich. |
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thread-bear (58 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
105. web-sites |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 03:02 AM Response to Reply #105 |
119. I doubt it |
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totodeinhere (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
108. Rep. Kucinich is a real national treasure. |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-27-09 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
109. I would think politics with anyone else |
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pam4water (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 12:50 AM Response to Original message |
113. Well Kucinich usually knows what he is talkgin about. I've never been a fan of Cap and Trade. |
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pjt7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 06:45 AM Response to Reply #113 |
123. This is a Must Read |
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griloco (116 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jun-28-09 09:21 AM Response to Original message |
127. the unfortunate truth about kucinich |
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