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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 10:44 AM
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Iran’s Second Sex - By Roger Cohen (NYT) Again... Wow !!!
Iran’s Second Sex
Roger Cohen
June 27, 2009

<snip>

From Day 1, Iran’s women stood in the vanguard. Their voices from rooftops were loudest, and their defiance in the streets boldest. “Stand, don’t run,” Nazanine told me as the baton-wielding police charged up handsome Vali Asr avenue on the day after the fraudulent election. She stood.

Images assail me: a slender woman clutching her stomach outside Tehran University after the blow; a tall woman gesticulating to the men behind her to advance on the shiny-shirted Basij militia; women shedding tears of distilled indignation; and that young woman who screamed, “We are all so angry. Will they kill us all?”

How can a revolution kill its children? The post-1979 generation has risen, not alone, but in the lead. Perhaps Iran cannot be an exception to the rule that revolutions devour themselves.

A friend told me he no longer recognizes his wife. She’d been of the reluctantly acquiescent school. Now, “She’s a revolutionary.” I followed as she led us up onto the roof. The “death to the dictator” that surged from her into the night was of rare ferocity.

Women marched in 1979, too. But when the revolution was won, women were pushed out. Their subjugation became a pillar of the Islamic state. One woman told me that she had been 20 when she fought to oust the shah. “It’s simple,” she said. “We wanted freedom then, and we don’t have it now.”

In a way it is simple: laws that can force a girl into marriage at 13; discriminatory laws on inheritance; the segregated beaches on the Caspian; the humiliation of arrest for a neck revealed or an ankle-length skirt (a gust of wind might show a forbidden flash of leg); the suffocation that leads one artist I know to raise her hands to her neck.

Yes, it’s simple. From the outset, the regime targeted women, calculating that the patriarchal culture of the country would embrace the idea of an Islamic diktat that “put women in their place.”

But then again nothing in Iran is simple. One benefit of the massive show of resistance to a stolen vote, and future, has been to awaken Americans to the civic vitality of Iranian society — a real country with real people rather than a bunch of zealous clerics posing a nuclear problem.

This is a sea change. Iran has been denuclearized, not in the sense that the problem has gone away (on the contrary), but in the sense that a rounded picture, beyond to bomb or not to bomb, has formed.

Say Iran and murdered Neda Agha-Sultan surges where a bearded mullah once stood. Young, modern, connected, Neda just wanted to live her life. She personifies a certain Iran I’ve tried to evoke since the beginning of this year.

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More: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06/27/opinion/27cohen.html?_r=2


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theoldman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:11 AM
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1. Iran is a country ruled by old men who think women should remain ignorant.
Not much different from the Republican party in the US. I wonder what percent of university graduates in the US are women and how many of them are Republican. Would you believe that Chairman Mao gave Chinese women more freedom than any previous Chinese leader? I would bet that Obama will push for women's rights more than any previous US president.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:15 AM
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2. Yep... And Women Are The Only Minority...
that number over 50% of the population!

A thing my math teachers told me was an impossibility.

:shrug:
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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:18 AM
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3. there are more women in the world then men - and in every country


power to the women and power to the mothers
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:23 AM
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4. Exactly !!!
And man... what a threat they are to the male dominated establishments around the world..

:shrug:
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JerseygirlCT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:43 AM
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7. Ignorant, they're not
They're often very well educated. But terribly repressed. In a way, that makes it even harder. They KNOW what they're missing.
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 03:51 PM
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25. This makes no sense when you look at how women have thrived in education since the revolution.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:39 AM
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5. I've found Cohen's articles and interviews
to be particularly insightful. For example:

"Here we stand close to the tragedy of this election. The vote offered an opportunity to bridge the gap between a fast-changing society of highly educated women and the regime. Past elections have served that purpose, nudging the clerical establishment in reformist directions.

"Instead, hard-liners around President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad opted for schism, a historic error. The Iran of yesterday is gone, the Iran of tomorrow not yet born."

This isn't the revolution older women fought for and it's not working for younger women. They had an opportunity to moderate. They blew it.
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 11:43 AM
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6. I Agree...
He's been excellent:

"When a friend asked one Ahmadinejad supporter his reasons, the reply was brusque: because “all the whores are with Moussavi.” Cultural battle lines of great clarity have been drawn since June 12.

Women are angry with the state, of course. But they are also angry with the passive way men have accepted discrimination. Be strong! Fight harder! These are immediate messages summoned from old frustrations.

Their courage and pain haunt me. We need Delacroix to paint them. We need President Obama to put engagement — still the right medium-term objective — on hold in their name.

Islam has a lot to say about the rights of women; the mullahs of Qom have lots of training in how to say the opposite of what they said before. The revolution might have bent toward the women it fashioned. But it has stiffened against what it birthed, never wise."

:wow:

:hi:
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woo me with science Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 12:48 PM
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8. Thank you. The women in Iran are amazing nt
Edited on Sat Jun-27-09 01:04 PM by woo me with science
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 01:48 PM
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9. K&R to get this back on top
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Garbo 2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 02:56 PM
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10. K/R. nt
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:04 PM
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11. A salute to the strength and courage of Iran's women. Recommend highly.
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varelse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:06 PM
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12. K&R
:kick:
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jkshaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:23 PM
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13. Inspiring. My heartfelt wish is for the Iranian women
to succeed.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:24 PM
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14. Roger Cohen = intelligence propagandist.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:40 PM
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16. oh fucking please. got ANY proof of that, hannah?
Roger Cohen is doing a good job- in fact, he's the most insightful western reporter there. I know you love to traffic in broad and rather dim generalizations wherein every reporter who's not from Counterpunch or your oh so beloved wsw, is an evil pawn of the CIA, but frankly , your rigid doctrinaire adherence to dogma, does not come off as anything but... dogmatic.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:49 PM
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17. just his history of writing pro-war agit-prop, cali.
like the nyt never publishes propaganda....

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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 09:59 AM
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18. What... You're Not Gonna Provide Examples ???
I'm shocked.

:wtf:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:27 AM
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20. Everything about this Iran revolution is a CIA plot according to her.
I have never noticed this poster before,until her tinfoil hat posts these last few weeks.
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:58 PM
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22. you're dissembling. i've not mentioned the cia except to counter posts like yours.
Edited on Sun Jun-28-09 02:02 PM by Hannah Bell
but since you brought it up:

"The CIA communication has been reported in articles filed by The Associated Press, but the Times and other major U.S. news organizations have not mentioned it.

Instead, the Times today ran a column by Roger Cohen, which compares Chavez to the fascists of 1930s Europe, and which calls for defeat of the referendum. (Are Cohen and the Times part of the CIA's propaganda campaign?)"

https://buzzflash.com/articles/lindorff/043.




i've never noticed you either.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:47 PM
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21. How about Hannah Bell = unintelligent counter-propagandist.
See, anyone can say anything. No need to back up slanderous assertions.




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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 01:59 PM
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23. and they do. all the time. like passing on twitter briefs as news.
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-27-09 03:38 PM
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15. Kicked and recommended, an excellent column.
Thanks for the thread, WillyT.
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Jade Fox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 11:19 AM
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19. kick
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Prometheus Bound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-28-09 02:13 PM
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24. "It took an ayatollah to tell traditional families to educate their daughters."
"In some senses, women of her 20-something generation have benefited from the revolution; I told you to forget simplicity. It took an ayatollah to tell traditional families to educate their daughters. Today 60 percent of university students are women, about double the figure in 1982."

Interesting. I didn't know that.
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