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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:53 AM
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PICTURES: Prehistoric European Cave Artists Were Female
Source: National Geographic

June 16, 2009--Inside France's 25,000-year-old Pech Merle cave, hand stencils surround the famed "Spotted Horses" mural.

For about as long as humans have created works of art, they've also left behind handprints. People began stenciling, painting, or chipping imprints of their hands onto rock walls at least 30,000 years ago.

Until recently, most scientists assumed these prehistoric handprints were male. But "even a superficial examination of published photos suggested to me that there were lots of female hands there," Pennsylvania State University archaeologist Dean Snow said of European cave art.

By measuring and analyzing the Pech Merle hand stencils, Snow found that many were indeed female--including those pictured here. (Also see: pictures of hand stencils through time.)

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/06/photogalleries/cave-handprints-actually-women-missions-pictures/index.html
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:56 AM
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1. Heh - amazing what you can learn when you just *look*.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 01:58 AM
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2. He said "Give me a hand" so she did.
:dunce:
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:18 AM
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3. Hey TahitiNut! Howse things?
:hi:
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lindisfarne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:18 AM
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4. Why would they automatically assume the hands were male? n/t
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Adsos Letter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 02:22 AM
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5. My guess would be a preconception that the images related to hunting
and may have involved a type of shamanism, which they probably were predisposed to interpret as a male activity.

I'm just guessin' here.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 04:07 AM
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6. Females would have logically stayed "in" more than the hunters (men)
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 04:07 AM by SoCalDem
and there was precious little to do in that cave while the children were napping.(Guiding Light & Days of Our Lives were decades away). There would be plenty of charcoal around, and who knows, maybe the pictures were a WAY to entertain the kids:)
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:57 AM
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17. I don't think the caves where the paintings are, are thought to be residential
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 09:58 AM by HamdenRice
I was under the impression that the caves where the paintings are are believed to be ritual caves. The paintings tend to be very deep into the rock, in areas so dark and far in that they would not be convenient to live in. The residential caves were shallow or just rock overhangs.

I think the theory is that the cave paintings are in almost like movie theaters: when you bring a torch in and wave it, the animals appear to move as the shadows dance.

The painters were shamans or some kind of intermediaries to the supernatural world.

If the painters were women, it would suggest that women were shamans or priestesses.
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theHandpuppet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 05:51 AM
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7. I've always wondered about that myself.
And thought it was typical and arrogant for scientists to assume all those paintings were made by men. Always seemed to me that the logical choice would have been women.
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 05:54 AM
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8. reminds me of when I was 19
and a male artist I met was looking at my sketches and paintings..
his words "My god..you draw like a man!"
needless to say, he probably never said it again after I was thru with him.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 05:55 AM
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9. Eduardo Galeano just wrote about this in his new book!
GMTA!



:)
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Tanuki Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:39 AM
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16. Thanks for this, EFerrari!
I just googled Galeano. I wasn't familiar with him, but clearly I ought to be!
:hi:
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Demoiselle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:10 AM
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10. How can they tell?
I agree that automatically ruling out the possibility of women doing the drawings doesn't make sense. But is there a consistent, measurable difference between female hands and male hands--as seen in their prints?
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 07:57 AM
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11. Yep
Now this is generalized,but usually a woman has a longer index finger than ring finger, and men have longer ring fingers than index fingers. Also, women's little fingers tend to be noticeably short.
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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 10:19 AM
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18. Thx
You learn something every day
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:50 AM
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12. Jean M. Auel has a little rewriting to do
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sisters6 Donating Member (351 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 08:55 AM
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13. I recall reading that book years ago--.
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Lochloosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:32 AM
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15. She wrote 4 more in the series. Good stuff.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:29 AM
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20. Well, does Daryl Hannah have artistic abilities?
:dunce:
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 09:22 AM
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14. Art schmart, it was a menu. /nt
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:30 AM
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21. I was thinking shopping list.
Edited on Mon Jun-29-09 11:31 AM by TahitiNut
:shrug: ... or recipe file. :dunce:

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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:27 AM
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19. Got to do something to amuse the kids when it is raining (lol)n/t
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