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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-29-09 11:46 PM
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Why not BAN pharma/heathcare advertising and political contributions?
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 12:08 AM by AzNick
Since big pharma and the healthcare industry claims that the costs have to be high so they can be competitive, here is a good idea to help them reduce their costs: ban any sort of advertising and any sort of political contributions.

Simple, easy and would also conveniently starve some wingnuts on the airwaves, as well as some congressmen who could then concentrate on why they were elected in the first place: the interest of the People.

I know. Will never happen. But should make for a nice smart-ass answer.
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Atman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 05:42 AM
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1. Advertising is tax deductible.
They don't want to ban it because you and I are already paying for it,
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 01:24 AM
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2. Didn't Obama mention banning advertising for drugs?
I thought it was a promise (oh well, another one...)

Seriously, America is one of the few countries that allows drugs advertising.

If a drug is good, the doctor would know and prescribe it.

Of course, they would still wine and dine doctors (which they already do), invite them golfing (which they do) and send them hookers (ok, sorry, I know...).
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 12:33 PM
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11. Are you shitting me
Advertising is tax deductible?

When did that happen? Who is responsible?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jul-01-09 03:47 AM
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3. No can do. Not as long as the SC defines money as speech.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 02:11 AM
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4. I don't see why it could not come out as a proposal
Maybe ban ALL campaign donations from corporations and cap individual donations.

You know, like in Europe.

No more stupid attack ads, smaller conventions, and back to the discourse of ideas.

The national average IQ will go over 100.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 02:15 AM
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5. Europe doesn't have a first amendment
And the Supreme Court says that money equals speech, thus any ban is a first amendment violation.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 02:22 AM
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6. ??? LOL !!!
No, "Europe" does not have a 1st amendment, but freedom of speech is guaranteed in pretty much all of them by law.

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Cid_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 05:56 AM
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8. Been to Germany or Austria?
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 10:34 AM
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9. I didn't mean that in a stark way
What I'm saying is that they have a different legal and constitutional system than we do. Unfortunately our Supreme Court has ruled that money = free speech and since freedom of speech is in the constitution, it's unconstitutional in this country to regulate political advertising like they do in Europe.

Even more unfortunate is that this decision was made under a far more liberal Supreme Court than the one we have now.
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 02:34 AM
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7. Money = God, in America
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guardian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 12:32 PM
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10. Let's bring back booze and cigarette commercials
Edited on Thu Jul-02-09 12:33 PM by guardian
There were a lot more entertaining.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 12:36 PM
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12. Corporations already are prohibited by law from contributing to federal candidates
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 12:36 PM
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13. $94 million
That's the total 2008 compensation for the top 10 health insurance execs.
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TZ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-02-09 12:39 PM
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14. FYI--banning advertising won't lower pharma costs.
Honestly advertising is a very small part of their expendatures. And unfortunately you cannot cut the costs where it really is expensive...In order to produce drugs safely one its a skilled profession..you need to hire people often with advanced degrees and lots fo experience..That means competitive salaries because its a field where there is more jobs than people in some places.
Two, production needs to be in aseptic monitored controlled environments..very costly...special engineering, skilled labor and obviously special handling of materials. Also, because its a HIGHLY REGULATED environment there is lots of paperwork time and money spent on compliance issues.
So while I think the idea of cutting advertising is a nice idea, in reality it won't do a thing to lower costs.
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