Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

The Problem With The Public Option Is That It Lowers The Cost Of Health Insurance

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU
 
babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:16 PM
Original message
The Problem With The Public Option Is That It Lowers The Cost Of Health Insurance
http://www.openleft.com/frontPage.do

The Problem With The Public Option Is That It Lowers The Cost Of Health Insurance
by: Chris Bowers
Tue Jun 30, 2009 at 11:29


The main goal of health care reform is to lower the cost of health insurance. Apropos, Olympia Snowe thinks that the problem with a public health insurance option is that a public option would... wait for it... lower the cost of health insurance:

In an Associated Press interview in Portland, Snowe said it would be unfair to include a government-run health insurance option that would take effect immediately.

"If you establish a public option at the forefront that goes head-to-head and competes with the private health insurance market ... the public option will have significant price advantages," she said.


Well, duh. That is the whole point. You can't lower the price of health insurance unless you start offering lower-priced health insurance. It's a tautology.

So, naturally, during the fight to lower the price of health insurance, so-called moderate Senators think that the problem with the public option is that it would... lower the price of health insurance. While it may be news to so-called moderate Senators, protecting the crappy products of large corporations is not their job description.

It is pretty amazing that many moderates and industry figures are actually arguing that the problem with including a public option in health care reform legislation is that a public option would lower the cost of health insurance. Clearly, they have a different view of the purpose of health care reform than most Americans.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:18 PM
Response to Original message
1. Profits Over People! What are you, un-American, or somethin'?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:20 PM
Response to Original message
2. As there is no competition within the insurance cartel, the competition
needed to bring the prices down must come from the government.

That's the whole point.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bluzmann57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:22 PM
Response to Original message
3. Memo to Ms. Snowe
That is quite possibly one of the most ridiculous things I have ever had the misfortune of hearing. A public option will lower the cost of health insurance and that's a problem? I don't understand the logic behind that. Please explain that one to me.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:23 PM
Response to Original message
4. I don't think wingnuts hear the same message as we do in those words.
They are operating from the assumption that a public option will spend vast quantities of tax money that will give the public program an advantage that the poor, hard working businesspeople can't overcome even with their vast pool of innovative genius...

Pure hogwash, of course, but when did that ever stop them?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:16 PM
Response to Reply #4
11. I'm working on a couple of my Republican friends and trying to
explain to them that when poor people get sick they go to a county ER, and, since there's about 41million people without insurance, we are already paying for their health care at about twice or more of what it would cost if they went to a regular doctor and got medical attention before their problems got so big they needed extensive medical care. Republicans just don't get this. They really think that if poor people don't get medical care they will just die - problem solved. One of my friends has a sister with cancer and no insurance. She's getting help from the government, but they don't like to talk about that and they think it's ok because they've paid taxes and it's happening to THEM. They're softening up, so I'm going to keep working on them. I admit the health care plan is complicated and I do believe our government (both sides) will come up with a plan that is doomed from the start.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kristopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #11
12. May I suggest a change in tactics?
The "help the poor" framing plays into a rock solid set of beliefs legitimizing greed that the right has been cultivating for 30 years. You may have more success by, if you haven't already, reading these two articles. The contents are real eye-openers for most people and the information plays well in the value system of the right. It is also very very valid evidence that is difficult to reject on the "common sense" level.

THE COST CONUNDRUM
What a Texas town can teach us about health care.
by Atul Gawande in the New Yorker.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2009/06/01/090601fa_fact_gawande?currentPage=1


Taiwan: Surprising Lessons From a Small Island
By John Reichard, CQ HealthBeat Editor
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmspage.cfm?docID=hbnews-000002889735&parm1=5&cpage=1


Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Booster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. I'm open to any ideas. I will read both articles and then pass them
on. Thanks for your help. I'm working with very stubborn people.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Wapsie B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:25 PM
Response to Original message
5. Another factor just may be that the present system keeps employees locked into
certain jobs just for the sake of having any health insurance at all. If there were a true public option and someone were able to have health insurance without having a crappy job it would make leaving that job much easier. Why work a third-shift job on a sanitation crew in a meat-packing plant?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:30 PM
Response to Original message
6. "...protecting the crappy products of large corporations is not their job description"
You could make a small fortune with a line of greeting cards for people to send to politicians!
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
checks-n-balances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
7. Say it really loud, Senator, over & over
The rest of America may wake up & get smart about this yet.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:39 PM
Response to Original message
8. Dammit, don't you inderstand the problem here?
Edited on Tue Jun-30-09 12:40 PM by SoCalDem
If Insurance companies make less money, CEOs might have to take a paycut, give up that 4th vacation home, that 3rd Lexus, and their kids might have to go to a cheaper boarding school. AND, they might not have extra money to buy politicians :rofl:
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:51 PM
Response to Original message
9. Industry wants to pretend to be in competition, without actually being competitve
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-30-09 12:57 PM
Response to Original message
10. And, some people think she's
one of the smart republicons?

THey really do have a different set of wiring.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 04th 2024, 09:36 PM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (1/22-2007 thru 12/14/2010) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC