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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:05 AM
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Racial slur on sofa label stuns family
Racial slur on sofa label stuns family

Mother had to explain to daughter, 7 origin of 'totally unacceptable' word on wrapping of furniture built overseas

Apr 06, 2007 04:30 AM
Jim Wilkes
Staff Reporter

When the new chocolate-coloured sofa set was delivered to her Brampton home, Doris Moore was stunned to see packing labels describing the shade as "Nigger-brown."

She and husband Douglas purchased a sofa, loveseat and chair in dark brown leather last week from Vanaik Furniture and Mattress store on Dundas St. E.

Moore, 30, who describes herself as an African-American born and raised in New York, said it was her 7-year-old daughter who pointed out the label just after delivery men from the Mississauga furniture store left.

"She's very curious and she started reading the labels," Moore explained. "She said, `Mommy, what is nig ... ger brown?' I went over and just couldn't believe my eyes."

more at:
http://www.thestar.com/article/200265
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ck4829 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:07 AM
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1. "Racism is dead", yeah right
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Clark2008 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:30 AM
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39. And, yet, we have people on this board who think Obama has
a shot.

I'm NOT dissing Obama. I like him and find him to be the most honest and intriguing of the the so-called front-runners. I am, however, dissing this country - a country with a BAD, BAD case of voting-booth racism.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:02 PM
Response to Reply #39
58. Yes, it does not seem likely Obama would be elected
as president of China.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:16 PM
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67. ...
:spank:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:21 PM
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69. What does chinese made label has to do with
Obama's chance of becoming president?

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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:38 PM
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78. LOL n/t
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:08 PM
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61. It's sad to say, but I think you're right. ...n/t
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Colobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:22 PM
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70. Let's not give a black man a chance to lead us then!
After all, nobody will vote for him, right?

Those who let racism control their lives are worse than racists themselves.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:47 PM
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80. Those who let racism control their lives ARE racist.
Too bad there are a lot of racist out there.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:25 PM
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93. If a great man is truly unelectable in 2008 for his race then US deserves hellish consequences
I have no doubt the Repukes would gladly guarantee this would happen
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:54 PM
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158. Perhaps a translation error that was meant to be "Niger Brown'? See below.
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Rabrrrrrr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:08 AM
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2. Holy shit! I admit to clicking on thread thinking "Ah, just an overly sensitive idiot..."
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 09:08 AM by Rabrrrrrr
but holy crap -

that's fucking BLATANT!

I imagine someone - or more correctly, some racist nonhuman shitpile - at the factory was having fun with the label maker that day.
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jwtravel Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:21 AM
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11. Translation issue !
Based on labels and instructions I've seen for items made in China, I think this one can be chalked up to a translation error. The Chinese company that made the sofa was too cheap or too stupid to have someone do some research about the best words to use in the translation. Some U.S. companies have been guilty of the same thing for products going overseas. Unfortunately, someone in that company associated that word with brown/black but didn't know how vile it is considered to be. We in the western world just love our cheap goods, but we don't stop to think that they are made by under-educated folks making very low wages; unfair trade.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:23 AM
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14. I don't think so
No way did some translation dictionary have "nigger" listed as the translation for "black"
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jwtravel Donating Member (42 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:25 AM
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17. Translation Dictionary?
I wouldn't trust some of those Chinese companies to spend a few bucks to have a damn dictionary.
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SharonAnn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 08:52 PM
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157. Perhaps 'Niger Brown'? LIke 'Tuscan Gold', "Egyptian Blue', or 'Roman Red'?
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 08:53 PM by SharonAnn
My husband's native language is not English and I can tell you that, fluent as he is, spelling American English is a real challenge to him.

A particular problem is whether or not to use a double consonant.

I would guess it's just a transalation error of "Niger Brown", meaning dark brown.
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Richard D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:29 AM
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19. I think so too.
Some of the translated stuff from Asian countries is totally far from correct. I doubt that there was any racist motivation there.
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slowry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:06 PM
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101. My hovercraft is full of eels. n/t
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:30 AM
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20. Precisely!
You took the words right off my fingertips. Translation error, get over it. Now, eveybody back to work ....
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:33 AM
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21. plus...there aren't very many blacks in china
the average worker in their factories has probably never even seen/met one in person. they really have no understanding of how loathsome the word is in western culture.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:34 AM
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22. I agree. Recently it's been reported that the Chinese in putting up signs for the upcoming Olympics
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 09:35 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
have to take them down as the translations make absolutely no sense. Personally, I used to sell several years ago, those little electronic pets. The instructions were not only hard to understand but they used the word "shit" when referring to the electronic pet's excrement! Luckily, none of my customers complained. ;)
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:33 AM
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40. It's total ignorance of our culture. Soon we will see the phrase
"Ugly Chinese" replacing "Ugly American." Why not contract an American, or British proofreader?

Back in the 70's I had to deal with a lot of equipment from Japan and Taiwan. They often used machine translations for their instructions. What a mess. This wasn't a machine translation, it was human error. Malicious? I don't know. Insensitive, yes.

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holboz Donating Member (641 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:55 AM
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149. Hire an American or British translator...
Edited on Sun Apr-08-07 09:56 AM by holboz
but, but that would cost more money! It might actually add 50 cents to the production cost of each item!!

My husband designs products for companies that have them produced, usually on the uber-cheap, in China. The people on this thread who are saying that it's a bad translation are absolutely correct. Most of the people we correspond with at the Chinese factories struggle terribly with English and don't have a clue as to what is considered an "appropriate term" and what is not. We've seen just about every possible curse word pop up on packaging and product manuals.

We've often wondered where on earth these people learned English. I suspect they are learning from people who answer those "teach English in a foreign country" newspaper ads.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:15 PM
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150. It wouldn't be that costly to have someone read their English text
then correct the improper English. Any K thru 12 teacher could do that in minutes and would love the bit of cash coming their way.
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BluePatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:47 PM
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55. I tend to agree, looks like "engrish" gone awry
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Truthiness Inspector Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 01:31 PM
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151. Thanks for that link
Lots of funny stuff!
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:55 PM
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107. A great teaching moment
The power of words in our culture versus an understanding of multiculturalism. That word is imbued with hatred and the abuse of power for us--but for the Chinese it's just a word to describe a color. The power of the word depends on the intent of the person using it.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:10 AM
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3. Just...wow. I'd return the furniture, too. nt
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:13 AM
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4. Well, I could understand "negro" because that's "black" in Spanish...
but this? This I don't know about.

I remember hearing a friend talk about cookies from Turkey that were called of all things the n-word.
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:15 AM
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6. I just googled it, and actually the cookies use a racist slur as their name.
How is this even possible in civilized nations?

http://www.aubg.bg/flashnews/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=95&Itemid=41

I'm assuming that the Turkish fella was talking about these.
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Lobster Martini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:14 AM
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5. Unbelieveable--a KKKouch! (n/t)
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:36 PM
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77. I bet they see a jump in orders in Idaho, South Carolina, Southern Midwest n/t
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aePrime Donating Member (676 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:29 AM
Response to Reply #77
148. With your stereotyping
you're just as bad as they are (assuming they had malicious intent). You're making prejudiced and generalized statements, just like the racists do.
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ObamaNationYes Donating Member (78 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:59 PM
Response to Reply #77
156. Bad Move ...
What you just said is prejudice against residents in these states!
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:15 AM
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7. Article says the furniture came from China
snip:I import my products from overseas," he said. "I've never noticed anything like that. This is something new to me."

He passed the blame to a Chinese company, but apologized for the labels. He said he would contact the furniture maker in Guangzhou and demand they remove all similar labels.
-----------------
Makes me wonder why our country and others keep importing from there. Lead in kids things, melamine in animal food, racial slurs on labels..

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:18 AM
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8. We have to import from China. All our factories are there.
Our government basically gives a bonus to any company moving its business overseas.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:23 AM
Response to Reply #8
15. Yeah I know, but it still stinks,
and it's only going to get worse.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:51 AM
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26. What, all the furniture factories in NC moved to China? nt
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DesertRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:22 PM
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71. I just bought a new dining room set from a NC company
When we got it home and took it out of the packaging, the tags said Made in China.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:55 PM
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86. Almost all of them, yes. Furniture, carpets, appliances, paint, you name it,
we don't make it here anymore.


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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 06:05 PM
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153. Oh, I have the TOPPER!
My wife's car needed a new fuel filter. I decided to put a Purolator in it.

Purolator has a huge filter factory right here in Fayetteville, and I went to a locally-owned auto parts place to get it. Purolator will sell the local auto parts places filters right out the back door--pull up, tell the lady inside what you want, turn over money and drive around back to get it.

The filter I bought was made in China. These fuckers contracted with a filter company in China to have fuel filters made and shipped to a FACTORY (they make oil and air filters here--I know people who do it) for redistribution.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 08:01 AM
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160. It is no longer possible to surprise me with this kind of crap.
You might find it interesting to know that our great military machine can no longer operate without vital parts manufactured in various Asian countries. If they got together and placed an embargo on us our military couldn't get anywhere in couldn't walk to.


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NormanYorkstein Donating Member (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:24 PM
Response to Reply #86
155. It's good we don't make anything here anymore
It's because we've all been retrained for high paying computer jobs.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 08:02 AM
Response to Reply #155
161. LOL! I was one of them too.
:rofl: What are you doing these days?


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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:20 PM
Response to Reply #26
132. NC textiles, too. (eom)
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:19 AM
Response to Reply #7
10. what's to wonder? it's cheaper...
i guess we can put a pricetag on our national soul.
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:28 AM
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18. We have put a pricetag on our national soul,
our kids aren't safe, our animals aren't safe and now they can throw out racial slurs and get away with it all for the all mighty dollar.

Too bad we can't suspend all imports from them until we're assured of safe and non-offensive products.



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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:24 AM
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16. Why not?
Look at the respect we, the U.S. give other sovereign countries?

Any more it's; "Respect? wazdat?"
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:18 AM
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9. wow
damn

talk about being blindsided

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:22 AM
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12. The problem here is that
she and her husband didn't return the furniture. You don't spend your money with racists.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #12
56. There are many countries where the n-word does not have a
negative meaning.
Where it's a word just like any other.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:05 PM
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59. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:07 PM
Response to Reply #56
60. Where? Is this like "some countries say"? This is a home-grown American idiom.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #60
68. Note that she didn't answer my SPECIFIC request for the country.
I'm pushing on this--"Some countries say..." indeed. Good call! :thumbsup:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #68
72. Where I come from is none of your business.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 01:31 PM by lizzy
And that's all I have to say about it.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #72
73. Then don't use it to rationalize. Nice try, though. nt
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #73
74. Rationalize what?
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 01:32 PM by lizzy
I am pointing out that in some countries outside US similar sounding words are acceptable to use. How is that rationalizing anything?
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:32 PM
Response to Reply #74
75. The word's use. I'm a world traveler, and I've never heard it used
commonly.

What country, pray tell, is so uninformed as to not be aware of it's hideous connotation?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #75
76. I already said it's none of your business.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 01:45 PM by lizzy
The word sounds similar and it's acceptable to use. It sounds similar enough that I was warned not to use it in US. I had no idea before I was warned that word had a negative meaning in US. I guess I was not all that interested in US culture before I came here. I don't know what else to tell you.

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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #76
82. Then don't use your home country to make an anecdotal argument.
At the very least you could tell us what the word means.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #82
89. All I said that in my country a similar sounding word is
acceptable to use. Obviously it's not spelled the same as our alphabet is different. I was warned not to use it in US when I decided to come here. I have no idea if whoever made that label in China has any idea of what it means in US.
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:21 PM
Response to Reply #76
91. With all due respect then--don't make it an issue.
As WinkyDink says, it's the equivalent of "Some people say..."
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:23 PM
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92. China, it would seem
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #74
81. You're using your country of origin to defend an argument, without revealing
the source of your info, or offering any proof.

If you don't want people to know you're from another
country, then blonde has no reason to assume you are.
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #81
100. To be fair, I've heard this before. There are countries that have similar sounding words
But the meaning is entirely different.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:17 PM
Response to Reply #100
104. oh no, she's arguing america's history makes the word bad, and it;s not bad used other places.
i'm guessing they don;t know better because there are no black people in her mystery country to kick their asses when they say it. :eyesroll:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:37 PM
Response to Reply #104
112. You seem to be not able to comprehend a simple concept.
What is taboo in one country might not be a taboo in another. That a word that is sounding similar to a n-word is neutral and does not have a negative meaning in my native language.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:04 PM
Response to Reply #104
114. And she would be correct.
Please lay off Lizzy, Miz B. She's standing on a different corner than you are and telling you the truth. She doesn't deserve to be bashed for doing so.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:18 PM
Response to Reply #114
115. telling her belief, but she's too evasive to fairly make that determination
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:19 PM by bettyellen
she refuses to actually give the country's name or the word or it's meaning... from the way she's explaining it, it could well mean something similar - just not bad because it isn;t americans saying it. LOL. so it's okay for people who live in an exclusively white country to use the word. no wonder she doesn;t want to give the word or the country- people might disagree with her about her former home's "context" somehow being kinder to black people. i guess it's easy for them if it doesn;t entail actually living side by side with them, eh?
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:32 PM
Response to Reply #115
117. You've already insulted my country enough, calling it a
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:37 PM by lizzy
hotbed of racism and claiming it does not care for black people. Now you want it's name? Why? So you can insult it some more?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #117
120. oh BS, Lizzy! you wouldn't tell those who asked you nicely, so quit your martyr crap!
it shows you're truly afraid of the reality of where you came from, and no much more.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:39 PM
Response to Reply #120
121. Asked nicely? For what reason? So you can pounce on it
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 06:40 PM by lizzy
and insult it? Maybe I don't want ignorant people insulting it.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:06 PM
Response to Reply #121
123. everyone who asked is ignorant? LOL...so you bring it up, but can't defend or explain
it really. good work lizzy! ____land would be so proud of you!
:rofl:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #123
125. Thankfully not everyone.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:33 PM
Response to Reply #125
129. too bad you already said they were ignorant. Ooops!
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 07:36 PM by bettyellen
and they don;t deserve the courtesy of a reply.. and you changed your post because you're so upfront about stuff! LOL.
why did you even bother posting something so worthless? i wouldn't believe a word at this point after the sneaky stuff you just pulled.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:24 PM
Response to Reply #129
134. I said "they were ignorant?" Who are they?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:24 PM
Response to Reply #134
143. you said everyone on this thread who asked you to explain further was ignorant
then you deleted it. but you know that, which makes this a bunch of chckenshit.
:hi:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:41 PM
Response to Reply #115
122. All I'm saying is, you're reacting to her as an American
and SHE has a different point of reference. I COMPLETELY understand her reluctance to give specifics and don't blame her. She may just as well have stuck her arm into a shark tank at feeding time. ;-) She is a product of her society just as you are a product of yours. I don't get your reference to "kinder." If she grew up in a homogeneous environment, thems the facts that be. Let's consider the content of her post.

Where I live, Neger is a word used to refer to black people. If some old Dorfmann refers to me so, I am not in the least offended, nor would I bother to correct him. I HAVE corrected young people and once I've explained the "issues" the most common response is, "Gee, I NEVER thought about it that way." If an urban professional were to use that word in my presence s/he would go away wishing for a do-over. So ist das.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:12 PM
Response to Reply #122
124. well at least you see the word is inappropriate ANYWHERE and do not give anyone
except the serious old timers a pass. i'm sorry lizzy is of the opinion that this n* bullshit is harmless if you don;t have slave owning ancestors. i'm trying to explain it to her that it is there just ain;t black people about to call them on it.
and i wouldnt be suprised if her word describes black people as well, she's just afraid to own up to it because she knows people will be offended, and rightfully so.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:21 PM
Response to Reply #124
126. Actually that is not my opinion. You are simply not able to
comprehend what I am saying.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:30 PM
Response to Reply #126
128. well Lizzy, you refuse to answer all us ignorant people so we have to piece together
the fragments, and they don;t add up too well. Why are you hiding the full story? I.E. the word, it;s meaning and the nation you came from?
It would seem you're to fault if anyone's got you wrong, and if it is so benign you'd be able to do it. :shrug:
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:44 PM
Response to Reply #128
130. Miz B. there's NO WAY Lizzy can respond to you.
And there is no requirement that she do so. I don't misunderstand her and would likely peg her nation of origin in three guesses and I understand why you do. But as my dear departed mom always said, you can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. ;-)
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:49 PM
Response to Reply #130
131. ii'd prefer she not reply only to then rewrite her replies because that is as full of shit
as the games she has been playing on this thread. she f'ed up because if she didn't want to discuss it, she shouldn't have bothered in the first place. I think she realized that yeah, Americans would'nt easily understand, so she bailed.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:22 PM
Response to Reply #131
133. I believe your replies got deleted because they were offensive.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 08:23 PM by lizzy
At least the whole sub thread is gone. And here you are wondering why I don't want to communicate with you or tell you about myself.


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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:40 PM
Response to Reply #133
136. LOL, Lizzie, you're the only one hiding info and and changing the content of your posts
and alerting to get rif of stuff that's embarrassing to you! have fun with that!!
:hi:
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:08 PM
Response to Reply #136
138. I noticed you've edited some of your posts too. Imagine that.
What are you trying to hide?
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #138
140. i added stuff, unlike you, i didn;t delete a thing, nor am i hiding where i'm from
the bronx, where your ass would be hanging from a rope for using the beloved N-word of your youth. try it!
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 PM
Response to Reply #140
141. Well, and you are wondering why I don't want to tell you where I am.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 PM by lizzy
Hanging from a rope? WTF? Why is such a thing allowed to be said here? This sounds like a death threat to me. Is this acceptable here on DU?

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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:23 PM
Response to Reply #141
142. would be and if, sweetie, and not by me. nice twisted reading..... your n-word is what's not allowed
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 10:26 PM by bettyellen
around here. It's fine where you grew up, but you're far away now, and there would be consequences using racial terms spo dear to you in your youth....so deal with it.


edited to add stuff. LOL.
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bettyellen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:35 PM
Response to Reply #141
145. and no one asked, or gives two shits where you are- the name of the country you
spoke of was asked for.
don;t flatter yourself or pretend to be a big old victim. again.
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:28 PM
Response to Reply #68
95. Well, when I lived in Quebec....
I had to tell my roomate how bad of a word that was after hearing him use it one day. He spoke poor english, but always heard black people calling each other that in American movies. So, no, not everyone speaks english and understands our social taboos.
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whopis01 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:07 AM
Response to Reply #60
146. That's not exactly true...
That word has been used in many countries to refer various ethnic groups and also as a description of a color.

In fact, the usage of it in the US comes from Dutch origins. The African burial ground in New York City (When it was called New Amsterdam) was called "Begraaf Plaats van de Neger".

In the UK they used that work to refer to people from Pakistan and India. They also used it to describe a particular shade of brown.
I can remember my grandfather in the UK using "nigger brown" boot polish. That is what it was labeled on the can! And I'm not all that old, so it wasn't even that long ago.

Chances are that the people that made up that label merely were using the term as a description of a color. If it was manufactured overseas, it is possible that the people making it don't even realize what that means in modern usage in the US.

Now, with that said, it is ridiculous for any company selling goods over here to let something like that be printed on a label. Even if there was no malicious intent, it certainly is not going to endear that company to a large segment of the population.

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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:00 PM
Response to Reply #56
99. That may be true but the US distributor
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 03:00 PM by malaise
should have removed the offending words. I would have returned the goods.

Sp.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:22 AM
Response to Original message
13. This has been making the rounds on many forums
And clearly the label and color name came from the factory, so the retailer is off the hook. Hope this starts some here to realize that hard core racial prejudice is not solely the province of white males.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:54 AM
Response to Reply #13
27. No, They're Not Off The Hook
They have an obligation to their customers to make some phone calls and go up the chain, to the distributors, and make it clear these labels are not acceptable.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:59 AM
Response to Reply #27
29. They are for this incident
It would appear that the retailer did not know about the label ahead of time, which was my point. He now has the "opportunity" to get the manufacturer to change their behavior or seek another supplier.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:58 AM
Response to Reply #29
50. What? You Think They're Ignorant of Their Own Labels?
I'll bet ya the folks in accounting, shipping & receiving could tell you different.
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Solo_in_MD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #50
53. What you think they are ignorant of thier own customers?
I bet things are ordered by numbers or at a trade show. This looks to be a mom & pop furniture place. Accouting, shipping, receivinbg, sales, and janitor would all be the same people.
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pennylane100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:40 AM
Response to Original message
23. Sadly, this word has been used in many countries for hundreds of years.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 09:44 AM by pennylane100
I remember as a child in England, my mother went into a yarn shop and asked for some wool she described as "nigger brown", now before you all start flaming, she was an old, not too well educated person who did not have a mean bone in her body, plus she passed on several years ago.

I explained to her that she should not use that word any more as it was meant as mean and hurtful to black people. She did not understand because as she said, we had that word before they did. It took me a while but I got her to understand in the end that it was an awful racial slur.
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fwiff Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:50 AM
Response to Reply #23
25. Exactly. My Brit FIL used to say that
until we hammered it through his brain that the expression is worse than horrible.

(He used it referring to a blazer.)

The manufacturer may have imitated/resourced something decades old.
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:36 AM
Response to Reply #23
42. there was a Fawlty Towers episode
in which "The Major" explained patiently to Basil that some people from India were not "Wogs," but, rather "Niggers." He went on to explain which regions of India produced which particular subspecies. It was presented to mock that old-school British colonial attitude. My point is that the word was being used NOT by southern American racists but by British colonial racists. And against Indians, not Africans. And there is every likelihood that it got common usage in China as well in the Hong Kong colonial era. It has drifted around in the vernacular in various contexts, none of them complimentary, to be sure, but quite possibly a pocket of people in China might stumble across it - maybe even found documents describing some product made in Hong Kong or India fifty years ago...

Anyway, it needs to get squelched.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:10 AM
Response to Reply #42
52. Wouldn't be at all surprised to hear it in China
On one of China's popular websites called sina.com, hundreds of messages were pouring in around the time of Condoleezza Rice's visit to China this past spring. The comments were very disturbing for a couple of reasons. People lashed out angrily at the U.S. secretary of state's ethnicity, her looks, her gender.

They wrote that she was (and this is hard for me to repeat): "a black devil," "a black pig," "a black whore" and "a black female dog." They said: "You're not even as good as a black devil, a real waste of a life," "Her brain is blacker than her skin," "The ugliest woman in the world" and "She looks like an orangutan, and talks rubbish; send us a beautiful woman next time."

The website is particularly popular among the urban elite and educated masses, and I remember reading these shocking words at the time. According to media reports, these comments were also gathered by Chinese dissident Liu Xiaobo, who was so disgusted by the awful remarks he felt compelled to write something about it.

He said in a media interview that racism and sexism are so widespread on the mainland that no one was especially surprised by the hateful verbal attacks on Rice.

more…
http://www.cbc.ca/news/viewpoint/vp_yu/20050630.html
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #52
88. Yes, part of the problem is that in south Asia, black skin is superstitiously associated with evil
Hence the expression "black devils" probably originated because Chinese seafarers would have encountered Melanesians on a regular basis and assumed that the blackness of their skin meant they were literally demons in human form, per some Eastern religions. (Some early Western explorers thought the same thing!)

In India, it is much simpler: that country has been influenced for millennia by white-supremacist ideas brought in by Indo-European barbarians (the same folks Hitler admired). They looked down on the (more civilized) Dravidians, with their pitch black skin, as "untouchable" sodbusters. This was eventually codified into the caste system.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:09 PM
Response to Reply #23
62. "England"---as in, our forebearers---is NOT "many countries".
You are speaking ONLY of English-speaking colonialists.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:43 AM
Response to Original message
24. Sounds like Chinese need better translators.
Another reason to buy American...
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:55 AM
Response to Reply #24
28. Yeah
Even "negro" would be acceptable, as it has basis as a legit word in other languages.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:17 AM
Response to Reply #24
33. "Even mold-like thing appear it does not harm from using"
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Laughing Mirror Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:00 PM
Response to Reply #24
102. The rest of the label is in perfect impeccable English, however
So who do you think came up with a hyphenated color named "nigger-brown"?
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Nay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:03 AM
Response to Original message
30. I wonder if they meant "Niger brown" as one might say "Chinese red"
or "Arizona terracotta" -- something like that. And the extra "g" was just a typo. In any case, it had to be an eyeopener to see that on the sofa you just bought, no matter what race you were. Ow.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:11 PM
Response to Reply #30
63. No, they didn't. "Niger" is not associated with any color (well, except for yellow-cake....).
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Leopolds Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:53 PM
Response to Reply #63
84. Well, no, here we are getting somewhere. "Niger" river is a corruption of Negro
Supposedly because the river is brown or black. It is the largest river in West Africa and the city of Timbuktu nearly dried up and blew away when the channel moved. The Niger river valley is the main artery running thru Mali, Niger, and Nigeria, all of which are large countries.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:41 PM
Response to Reply #63
96. It could be Niger Brown associated with the river, and not meant to be
the "N" word. Doubt a factory in China would intentionally think up a color offensive to Americans.

But, the store should have caught it in their inventory numbers. What were the color choices? Wouldn't the customer be told the color choice and the store would have to put it on the order number in the computer?

It's really bad that this happened to this customer but seems it should have been caught at the store lever to complain to the Chinese Supplier. But, maybe the store orders from a database that's so large that it was overlooked.

I go for the "Niger (River)Chocolate" theory over the intentionally racist. :shrug:
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:20 PM
Response to Reply #96
105. I'm going with the latin explanation....
niger in latin is "black"
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Liberal Veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:13 PM
Response to Reply #63
103. Niger is a latin word meaning black.
I have a very dark blue almost black fish in my saltwater tank called a "Niger Triggerfish" (Odonus Niger), and given that there isn't much ocean in the country Niger, I have to assume it comes from the Latin root.

So it is entirely possible that this could have been a simple spelling error.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:59 PM
Response to Reply #103
113. But, what about the river....Dark Color...Chocolate like the "Black River" in S.C. and
that it was a translation flub up that didn't GET the Cultural/Racist overtones it would be seen in the US...particularly with our "Global Economy" where we are supposed to be "more tolerant" of Commerce all over the world.

After all what's offensive in the US might not be so to the World Trade Organization or the Chinese who've taken over producing all the FURNITURE ordered from North Carolina which "Used to Be" the "Furniture Capitol of the World" but NOW imports MOST from China!

If we support "World Trade" WE MIGHT BETTER GET USED TO what we THINK are Racial Epithets but really are just getting us used to what MORE IS TO COME. :shrug:

Niger/Chocolate/Nigger(Computer Error Spelling on Tag) Consumer Complains...(told it's just a "computer thingy"...and China says: "We Thought CHOCOLATE BROWN was NIGER RIVER BROWN."

:shrug:
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Straight Shooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
109. I think you may be correct.
The hyphen indicates (to me) a duality of color, that is, black-brown. I don't know why they didn't use the word "black," however. :shrug:


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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:15 AM
Response to Original message
31. Maybe it's a homage to the famous Australian rugby player E.S. Brown
First star player from the city of Toowoomba.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 AM
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32. Aside from the horrible label, that is a nice sofa
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:21 AM
Response to Reply #32
35. Yes, it does look nice
If it was in my house it would need to be dusted daily because of the cat hair.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:27 AM
Response to Reply #35
37. It looks like leather or a leather type material
Thus, I would never have it. My cats I know would poke holes in it eventhough I trim their claws.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:00 PM
Response to Reply #37
57. I have leather sofas and my cats haven't poked any holes in
them.
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #57
65. Really?
That's good to know for in the future. Neither of my cats scratch on furniture. I had a roommate once that had a kitten and she scratched everything. She jumped into my dining room chairs (leather seats) and they had all these little scratches and tears on them....but then the roommate didn't trim her claws either.
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #65
79. My cats don't scratch anything except for their scratching posts.
They are extremely well behaved.
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #35
44. You mean your cats would let YOU use your sofa???
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:45 AM
Response to Reply #44
46. Here's how it works
I want to use sofa.

I move cat(s) from sofa to chair.

I get on sofa in TV watching position.

Cat(s) get on top of me, or snuggle up next to me.

If I have to get up for something, the process starts over. You know.
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:19 AM
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34. Wow, that's pretty damn horrible
:grr:
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:25 AM
Response to Original message
36. I was in Germany in the '70s
and saw a brand of chocolate cookies called "Nigger Waffles."
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:30 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. Too bad the Bahlsen company doesn't make a product called "Cock"
But at least they make Twingo.

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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:52 AM
Response to Reply #38
48. They also make Afrika Dark Chocolate covered wafers
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:14 PM
Response to Reply #48
66. "Afrika" is a place. "Dark chocolate" is a product. NEITHER is pernicious verbiage.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #36
64. And they were imported FROM? Germans aren't known to produce goods in English.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:34 AM
Response to Original message
41. Ok I feel terrible...
but am I the only one that had a chuckle out of this?
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:41 AM
Response to Reply #41
45. I am ambivalent but definitely sympathize with that woman
There is no racial slur for white people that carries the sordid history and baggage of the N word.

OTOH I often get a chuckle out of bad translations and cultural faux pas in general. One of my favorite Firesign Theatre tracks involves people visiting an Arabic country called Barbaria, where their phrase meaning "dual to the death" is a homophone of the English words "diet cola".

"Welcoming to Barbaria, my infidel friends. Ooh, what is this peeking out from under your underwear...it's a bottle of whiskey. The whiskey head tax here in Barbaria is 60 karooms or I could challenge you to a 'diet cola'"
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:56 PM
Response to Reply #41
108. Probably.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:20 PM
Response to Reply #108
110. More fun for me I guess...n/t
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Jim Sagle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 09:39 PM
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139. So much fun, you had to say it twice.
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Fountain79 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 05:20 PM
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111. More fun for me I guess...n/t
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:39 AM
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43. hey, could we get some chinese manufacturers to believe
that "motherfuckerbush" is a common plant species in the US? Start labeling things "motherfuckerbush green?"

:)
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eppur_se_muova Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 12:39 PM
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54. A most worthy suggestion. nt
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Sal Minella Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:45 AM
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47. Translation dictionaries apparently are not in vogue there -- check Engrish.com.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:57 AM
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49. "Just be careful if you have to go to the restroom..."


:rofl:
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:58 AM
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51. ...
:rofl:
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:43 PM
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137. Maybe they mean...
"victory pavilion"?
or... "rest pavilion"?

But... What the fuck! :rofl::rofl::rofl:
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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 08:07 AM
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162. oh god, thank you for posting this site! n/t
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:51 PM
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83. I wonder if the sofa comes in "Cracker white"? n/t
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:54 PM
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85. I wondered the same
Even though "cracker" isn't even in the same league of offensiveness.
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Wcross Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:18 PM
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90. No it isn't in the same league, but just curious. n/t
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 01:56 PM
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87. Simply amazing...assigning a color to the N-word
I've seen paler Black folks being called the N-word...
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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:26 PM
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94. I wasn't aware all of you spoke chinese.
Yes this is terrible, but it did come from China. I haveno idea what words are considered bad in chinese. Just like the guy that named the colour on this probably didn't know either. I remember having French roomates in Quebec that didn't know how bad of a word the N-word is considered to be. So, I'm gonna cut the chinese some slack on this one. Somewhere along the line there was some kind of screw up. That's likely what happened. That doesn't make it okay, but we don't need all this crazy talk.
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troubleinwinter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:44 PM
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97. I have been to China.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 03:16 PM by troubleinwinter
In the large cities, a great many (nealy all of the young) people speak English and are ultra-modern.

There are industries and factories in rural areas where English is not spoken at all.

Areas of manufacturing where family ownership of an old Brownie box camera is considered a pride.

Perhaps the manufacturing plant's "translator" has an older dictionary, and is not careful enough to understand the phrase "considered pejorative".

What should be done?

Should the Chinese government place an 'Office for the Censor of American Pejorative Terms' in each factory?

Or should the Bush administration institute an 'Agency to Oversee and Protect Against Obsolete and Prejorative Phrases' at all ports?

Or should we understand that sometimes language difficulties may arise, and get the fuck over it?

Or should we just hate the Chinese people?


您可以翻译这吗? 您是是完全地肯定的它整个地正确的吗? 您知道为绝对确定, 词不会是traslated 入一个进攻词组? 多么恰当您是知道您的译者... 他百分之一百准确? 如果有不精确性, 中国人民应该采取生气和作为侮辱吗? 或他们应该了解, 那里也许有时是错误在翻译, 因为语系是不同的? Can you read or translate this? How long might it take for you to learn these characters?




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HEyHEY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 02:53 PM
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98. I like the second to last one
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 04:34 PM
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106. i know, if i was that mother, i definitely would not have appreciated
that word on anything coming into my house

and then to have to take a deep breath, and quickly decide how you handle the situation; do you explain it to your child now or later? when did you intend to tell her about this word? how do you tell her about it? and how i would have been wishing i could have made it just one or two more years without that fucking word coming into my child's life.

in the article the mom says she wonders if she even wants to keep the furniture--every time she sits on it she'll be thinking of this. i don't blame her at all. something nice (new furniture) ruined because you had to tell your little girl what the n-word means. how horrible.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:21 PM
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116. I understand the mother's consternation
and may have reacted similarly many years ago, however having lived on THIS side of the pond has tempered my knee-jerk responses substantially.
Forgive me, but I LAUGHED when I saw the picture. :rofl: You would NOT believe the mistranslations, misinterpretations and gobbledegook that comes fron Asia. The site Engrish.com is a treasure trove of hilarity.

The world does NOT revolve around America or the "sensibilities" of its citizens. What goes around comes around.

Here's a jump-rope rhyme from my childhood:

Chinky, chinky Chinaman sitting on a fence
China makes a dollar out of 25 cents
I missa, I missa, I missa like thissa...

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ismnotwasm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:34 PM
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118. Disgusting
And the assistant manager, pissing his pants, screams "It's not my fault"--which may be true, but a little more graciousness was in order.

It's difficult to see how it's a translation error, unless someone, somewhere thought this was funny, and mislead the laborers.

One of the many--but less obviously-- shitty things about racism, especially racism toward blacks, is that it's deported via our media to other countries who otherwise would never, or very rarely be in contact with American Blacks
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WiseButAngrySara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 06:36 PM
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119. I hope this puts a huge dent in their business, or better yet,
drives them out of business.
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jakem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 07:24 PM
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127. Wow. this is one of the dumbest threads i have ever seen on DU...

For so many reasons.

Starting with the jump to Obama's unelectability.
Then to Chinese racism, and the inferiority of Chinese manufacturing.
Next on to ignorant etymology.

Let us review...

- Exports often have poor translations (Coke, 'we bring your dead ancestors back to life' anyone?- Anyone think that Coke has a bigger translation budget that this sofa company in China?!)

- Niger (from the Latin) is as plausable as anything, as would be an uninformed use of the term 'nigger' but without knowing the American implications.


There is such a rash of anti-Chinese sentiment on DU is it getting to me. WTF?

I'm not even Chinese.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 08:37 PM
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135. In My Opinion There's NO WAY The Manufacturer Intended This Racially.
No manufacturer is that stupid to do something like that intentionally. But that's not to say that stupidity wasn't a catalyst here.

Looking at this objectively, a couple of things come to mind. First thing is that I don't think for a second this was placed intentionally with awareness of the racial connotations. To believe such would really be a stretch considering what that would mean from the company making the furniture. Sorry, but I just can't see any company truly doing that with intention. So with that out of the way, I have to arrive at some sort of personal explanation as to what did happen. My guess is that stupidity came into play with their fucked up translation processes. They were probably looking for the english translation of their black. It wouldn't be too far a stretch to think that they typed it into some online site looking for a translation and came across some racial one, unbeknown to them, that translated their word into nigger. What could possibly be even more likely is that they translated the word 'negro', which does mean black in some languages. Inquire about the american translation of negro and I think it would be readily apparent how the response back from some moron could be 'nigger'.

Now there could be other ways as well, such as merely asking an american or someone else fluent in both languages the translation, and that person themselves were racist and passed it on knowing that the manufacturers wouldn't know the better of it. I dunno. But there's still no doubt in my mind that however the manufactures came up with that label, it wasn't from their direct and intentional knowledge of using a racial and offensive description. It just wouldn't make any sense to me at all.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:31 PM
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144. Why look...yet another reason to stop buying crap from China
As if I needed one.
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 12:20 AM
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147. WTF?
I said :wtf:
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Mackay Donating Member (538 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 03:16 PM
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152. When I lived in Taiwan (China)
There was a brand of toothpaste with a racist cartoon (akin to something you would expect to see in the south 100 years ago) on the label. The toothpaste was called "Dar Kee".

(The premise of the product following the widely held Chinese belief that Africans have whiter teeth.)

This sofa label doesn't surprise me at all. In the case of the toothpaste, it would be hard to argue that the marketing was a 'mistake'.

At DU, it seems like most people make the naive assumption that racism and prevailing racist attitudes come primarily from caucasians in regards to people of other origins.

When I was thirteen, I spent a summer on the Salish Indian Reservation in Montana and heard some Native Americans making incredibly racist jokes about black people and using the same taboo word. That really opened my eyes.

Maybe the first step towards eliminating racist attitudes is accepting the fact its not only the 'white' people who can be guilty of it.
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Nikki Stone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 09:40 PM
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159. Many immigrants/foreign visitors are racist before they get here
I remember when the griefstricken Camille Cosby accused white America of teaching racism to the Russian immigrant who killed her son--the Russian had used a racial epiteth. I taught immigrants and foreign students--including Russians, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, Armenians, etc.-- for 10 years and you would be amazed at the racism that exists before they even land on our shores. Some of these students couldn't use the past tense to save their lives, but they knew how to use the N-word and lots of anti-female slurs in English. They didn't get it from me, their teachers, or American students (whom they couldn't speak with for the first few months anyway.) Don't ask me how these words and attitudes get around, but they do.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-09-07 10:07 AM
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163. I will agree with that
I lived in Hawaii for two years and the racism against Africans rivaled what I observed growing up in Georgia. And who could forget the startling racist comments Gumbel endured (about FloJo and her sister in law Jackie) during the Olympics in Korea?
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Ellen Forradalom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-08-07 07:17 PM
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154. This is a bloody head-on collision
between American cultural expectations (the n-word is NOT ACCEPTABLE) and the Chinese labelling its products for our market faster than they can find competent English speakers to translate them.

For insight, check out "May I Take Your Order?" at //www.rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order.php.

A comment on the article noted, 'Last summer I was in a spiffy modern supermarket in Taiyuan whose dried-foods aisle was helpfully labeled "Assorted Fuck." ' http://www.rahoi.com/2006/03/may-i-take-your-order.php#114176515755733102

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