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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:04 AM
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Why are democrats still funding the war?
Now Obama won't defund the war. What is the point of being anti-war if you allow the war to keep going on? Might as well be for the thing. At least in Vietnam, the democrats defunded Nixon and his death machine. I don't get the democrats. Don't they get that meekness is why they lost those other times. They have to stand up or the Republicreeps will take over, even harder next time.
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Akoto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:07 AM
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1. Because we hold a slim majority and lack magical powers.
Edited on Sat Apr-07-07 10:08 AM by Akoto
If you don't have the votes to pass a bill which defunds the war, the war doesn't get defunded. It's really as simple as that. In an ideal world, we'd have a magic wand that could get common sense things like this through the process, but we don't.

That, and there's the whole veto thing.
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Beelzebud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:13 AM
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2. Without a veto-proof majority, what do you expect?
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:14 AM
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3. They don't have the votes
nor do they want to be blamed for all the repurcusions of Bush's war when they are blamed for it instead of him for the next 20 years. ie "we could have won but the Dems lost it for us and thats why the world is having the problems it is..."
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BlueManDude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:15 AM
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4. why do war-loving trolls make anti-war postst here?
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Cessna Invesco Palin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:16 AM
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5. You are mistaken about vietnam.
There are several crucial differences. Vietnamization was already well under way when Congress cut funding, and the funding they cut was for support of the regime in South Vietnam, NOT for the US military. And that bill was signed by the President, not vetoed. Those are critical differences.
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BeyondGeography Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:19 AM
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6. Another day, another "Democrat" doing the GOP's bidding
Go ahead, keep saying it's OUR war. George Bush's thank-you note is in the mail.
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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:21 AM
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7. Oh goodie! Do you have magic wands on ya! Please...please...please....
It would be great! We need magic wands to hand out to the Congress Peace nymphs so that they can change the mind of those other Congress War nymphs and...presto...magically change their minds to stop the wars!

Yay!!!!

So um...where ya got those wands? Um...do ya have any... oh jeez....

:sarcasm:
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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:38 AM
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9. Who cares if they don't have the fricken votes!
Vote to defund the war as a show of guts. At least the progressive caucus has guts. My original question went unanswered--how do the democrats win if they don't follow the lead of SEVENTY PERCENT of the country who want the war to end? This would be like Martin Luthor King saying, "I better not speak out against the vietnam war, because my funders might not like my stance." He was willing to risk a bullet for his beliefs, what are the lame moderate democrats willing to do? Nothing. This is how Reagan won; he made Carter look really weak and won using the strength argument. We may think it is lame, but it works. It always has.
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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:39 AM
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10. And, quit reading the talking points from the DCCC.
Really obvious there. Lame.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 03:52 PM
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16. Hi buddinganarchist!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:35 AM
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8. Dems have to get the American people behind not funding the war.
I wish our candidates would break into their campaign "war chests" and take out ads that would tell everyone why dems want to defund the war.

We have to explain that defunding the war and the presence of public out cry is the only way the Vietnam war ended. I'd vote for any candidate who does this.

...Even John Edwards (I still hold a grudge towards Edwards for not only voting a big fat yes to Lieberman's Iraq War Resolution, he co-sponsored it, along with McCain, Zell Miller and other Bush kiss-asses ) :eyes:
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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:40 AM
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11. Kathy, they are already behind it!
Seventy percent, Kathy, seventy percent! We have the cards, we should use them.
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MaggieSwanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 10:45 AM
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12. Welcome to DU, buddinganarchist!
I like your style.

:hi:
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buddinganarchist Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:05 AM
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13. I like you too maggie.
Blush.

Anarchy for America. Yeaaaaaaaaaaa
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:16 AM
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14. They will not risk their political lives to lead the cry...
Without having a lock on the necessary # of votes, no Dem with higher ambitions is going to rock the boat. Those blue collar kids are just going to have to keep dying and getting blown up while Hill and Barak make purty commercials.

None of the heavy hitters will move to cut funding. Which is odd. They're willing to let the slaughter continue, hoping they will win the presidency so they can, what, increase the minimum wage? Try to push through campaign finance reform? Improve healthcare or education?
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-07-07 11:17 AM
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15. Unrealistic to push for defunding. You've got to stop living in fantasyland.
There are many reasons why we don't just pull the plug, starting with the fact that most Americans would be very hesitant to do so--it is a drastic last resort. We're not there yet. Now, a few large-scale horrific incidents might push Average Joe over the edge, but it hasn't happened yet--just a "slow-bleed" still over there, not an overwhelming crisis that makes America take to the streets. The realistic goal is to shift the GOPers and public sentiment into accepting a gradual de-escalation--this is best for everyone, including our soldiers and the Iraqis, I believe.
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