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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:21 PM Original message |
So my friend saved a man's life, but probably cost him his freedom |
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CaliforniaPeggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. I weep for what is wrong in America... |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yes, last week ironically I posted about saving a life in a similar situation; |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Cost him his freedom" |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Free to watch his children starve, perhaps? |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Why, break laws, of course. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:04 AM Response to Reply #16 |
25. +1. |
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abumbyanyothername (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:50 AM Response to Reply #25 |
45. This from the Obama Administration today |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. Implementation of the law is suspended because it's inconvenient to lettuce growers. |
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Flaneur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:40 AM Response to Reply #25 |
49. That's a very ugly response. |
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Zavulon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
82. And therefore, |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. we already have |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
19. from your description, it sounds like this problem is uniquely mexican... |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. There are a lot of immigrants who've traveled for days from South & Central America |
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paulsby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
78. mexico vigilantly protects its OWN southern border |
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lindisfarne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Actually, it costs quite a bit to hire a coyote.The poorest of Mexico aren't hiring them.Your friend |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #21 |
27. True. The poorest must risk climbing the wall or going around it |
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mema42 (67 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:42 AM Response to Reply #14 |
42. poor people in Mexico |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #42 |
60. +1 |
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EndersDame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #42 |
80. I challenge you to go to Matamoros or Progressoor Juarez and still make that claim |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #14 |
70. It's not that they don't know; they just don't care. |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:55 PM Response to Reply #14 |
76. They should fight to save their own country, like we are doing here |
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guruoo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:07 PM Response to Reply #2 |
77. He'll be free to go home and volunteer to help fix his OWN country. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:29 PM Response to Original message |
3. "What is wrong with America?" ??? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Why do you think it isn't? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. We should have work permits for people to enter legally, |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Actually you are wrong on requirements to immigrate to the US |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. immigration laws exist in the vast majority of countries in the world... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #8 |
28. Why? And how many? 30 million? 300 million? |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I agree with you 100% N/T |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. I'm not an advocate of open borders, just more human and reasonable |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. I can understand your compassion |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:32 AM Response to Reply #36 |
39. No, you are not going to get away with that. Take a position. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:36 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. +1 |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #39 |
68. Brilliant! |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
84. I've outlined my views in detail in a post below. |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:12 AM Response to Reply #84 |
92. You're still evading the logistical issue. What are you going to do with all those people? |
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proteus_lives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:22 AM Response to Reply #36 |
51. I'm glad your friend helped him but.... |
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vadawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:30 PM Response to Original message |
4. cant see why you think he would go to jail, he responded correctly in rendering aid |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. He's worked side by side with a lot of Mexicans (most illegal) and hates seeing them deported, |
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ItNerd4life (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
66. Your friend works side by side with Illegals? And this is okay? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:46 AM Response to Reply #66 |
85. That was many years ago, when he had just got out of prison (for refusing to go to Viet Nam) |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 10:13 AM Response to Reply #11 |
93. I've done that too. In my twenties I gave it little to no thought. nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
6. What is wrong with America is Americans don't know how U.S. policies have created the surge Norte |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:47 AM Response to Reply #6 |
44. Good point - our govt props up corrupt Mexican govts whose policies lead to vast poverty. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Indeed |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
71. You nailed it. |
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mudplanet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:36 PM Response to Original message |
9. America doesn't have a problem, but many Americans do |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:37 PM Response to Original message |
10. The Native Americans no doubt took care of him because most of those |
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Coyote_Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
12. Ummmm...... |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:50 PM Response to Original message |
17. Your friend did the right thing. |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-08-09 11:58 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. Are you not aware of the detention camps for immigrants? |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:02 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Do you have a link to this story? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:10 AM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Here, today's paper: |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Thank you |
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kiva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:05 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Yes, I'm aware of the detention camps. |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
29. I am finding no news links for |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:12 AM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Here is link from today's San Diego Union-Tribune: |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. Thank you! |
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uniteasone (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
63. SUPPOSED? |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:38 AM Response to Reply #63 |
83. I have not seen them. I have interviewed a lawyer who did. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 04:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
54. In laissez fair capitalist society like ours and Mexico's, money *is* freedom.. |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #17 |
72. How about freedom from starvation? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:04 AM Response to Original message |
24. How would it cost him his freedom? You provided no information |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:14 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Yes I did. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:21 AM Response to Reply #34 |
38. so what is your answer to this problem, liberty... |
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obliviously (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:38 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. I'm with you on this |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:36 AM Response to Reply #38 |
48. Immigration is a very complex issue. |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. you and i are in agreement... |
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imdjh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Point by point |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:52 AM Response to Reply #59 |
86. You're wrong on some points, but raise some valid questions. |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:54 AM Response to Reply #38 |
52. I have a suggestion. Let's stop helping the Mexican oligarchy steal elections |
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uniteasone (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #52 |
62. NAFTA |
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uniteasone (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Trade |
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Ignis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. No, no, a big WALL will fix the problem, surely! |
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renate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
43. your friend had no choice |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:11 AM Response to Original message |
46. Your friend is a compassionate person who did the right thing. But we have to get control |
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SammyWinstonJack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #46 |
61. +1 |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:41 AM Response to Original message |
50. I'm glad your friend found him, and not the Bigotmen. |
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Historic NY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 05:20 AM Response to Original message |
55. Being alive is better than being dead...the desert is littered with bones. |
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uniteasone (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 08:34 AM Response to Original message |
56. why not just blame Americans |
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endarkenment (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 09:21 AM Response to Reply #56 |
58. we don't do our fair share |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 03:20 PM Response to Reply #58 |
75. The U.S. is in the 'taking' business not the giving business. |
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truth2power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
65. You are lucky to have such a friend, LibertyBelle..More and more I see |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:00 AM Response to Reply #65 |
88. True, whenever I write on immigration issues it seems to attract the least compassionate |
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hedgehog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
67. We need a North American/Central American Marshall Plan. |
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Vidar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
69. K&R |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 02:46 PM Response to Original message |
74. Your friend did the right thing |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 04:02 AM Response to Reply #74 |
89. You don't see a difference between a fool in deep water purely for fun, |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:05 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Of course there are differences, but both individuals made poor choices |
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grantcart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:08 PM Response to Original message |
79. It is not illegal to provide aid to illegal immigrants |
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Liberty Belle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 03:58 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. I've ridden with the Border Angels but as far as the water, |
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MrSlayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-09-09 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
81. If they sent him back to Mexico, he'd still be free. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-10-09 09:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
91. Pretty much, and simple deportation is probably all that will happen to that man |
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