Would this be an acceptable solution?

Personally, I cannot understand all the hoopla over the un-recommend votes for the greatest page. But people are legitimately concerned about it.

What if the posts continued to make the "greatest page" but with the number of votes for and against posted on the thread? That way, people would not assume that this was the unanimous opinion of DU? They could see how many agreed and disagreed with the poster's opinion?

But, no posts would be kept off the greatest page simply because it had negative votes - even if it had more negative than positive votes. If it had the number of votes to get on the greatest page, then let it go there, but with the understanding that it is not the unanimous opinion of DUers? Would this be acceptable?

So, I can't agree with this.

Why not put it there, even if it has 300 votes against it? And show the votes on the greatest page. Yes, it would "re-enable" those posters but it would also expose their viewpoint as not necessarily the majority opinion of DU. But that would be like asking if Hitler was a "great" man?

Which is grossly disingenuous too...

People have turned the new feature into a game. From ALL sides. It's just a joke. When Duers say they don't want any frivolity on the greatest page and suddenly they read "unrec this", it's just another facet in this fools' diamond of a joke.

It is being used as a subsitute for a poll.

If you want to know how many people agree with you about something, than post a damn poll.!

If I could recommend a reply, I'd have done so with yours. :)

Thank you.

Only copycat threads annoy me more than "K&R if you..." posts. Christ, even the "DU this poll" threads ate preferable.

A couple months back, I believe, I saw a thread which said something like "K&R if you support President Obama!" This on DU? You may as well post "K&R if you require air, food and water!" As much of an Obama supporter as I am and have been, I couldn't even be bothered to open such a pointless thread.

My suggestion: keep the "unrecommend" feature as it is and remove the "greatest" page that so many people crave to get their posts on.

Get rid of The Greatest page, and you've solved the problem.

Is it another way for people to voice opinion, or is it to reduce clutter on the Greatest Page?

In your proposal, would the net positive still determine what goes on the Greatest?

But the negative votes would also be shown on the greatest page. There would not be the misperception that all of DU agrees with one post or another. Other than that, the greatest page would remain the same.

I don't think you'll see much of anything that doesn't deserve to be on there. It's pretty cool.

But in an attempt to address the concerns of those who think they are being censored, I think they should still have the opportunity to get on the greatest page but their posts would show that they are not the unanimous opinion of DU, or maybe not even the majority opinion of DU?

or at least require some further filtering by the users.

I have no problem doing a little math, but it would be nice to be able to just scan down the greatest page for a quick, unpolluted rundown of today's topics. I think that's the key benefit of this feature to the forum - self-gratification aside.

Please explain how anyone is being censored.

a lot of DUers seem to think they are being "censored". With that argument, everyone that does not get their post on the greatest page could argue that they were being "censored". In my opinion, it is a nonsensical argument.

Please send me a check forthwith, kentuck.

:rofl:

Nobody is preventing them from making a post or telling them what they can say in the post. If getting to the greatest page is that important maybe the priorities are screwed up.

I greatly appreciate your showing both understanding and respect for those of us who care enough about DU to express our views on how it might be run best.

As I said to Skinner in response to another post, I think that my concerns can be entirely eliminated with the addition of a "Hottest" page (a page like the Greatest Page that ranks threads by the sum of recommends and unrecommends with, perhaps, a 30 total vote minimum, and with an aggregate sum of less than +5--because threads that are +5 or higher appear on the Greatest Page). If there were a nice little icon at the top of the forum, say between Greatest and Lobby, it would address my concerns perfectly. With such a page, minority opinion OPs that generate lots of responses would still appear in an easy to access place and would get significant attention, but they would not "poison" the Greatest Page and would not project from DU's home page an opinion that the majority did not share. That addition, I think, would satisfy both camps in this particular debate.

Your idea is worthy of consideration too. Thanks for this post.

:dem:

-Laelth

Edit:Laelth--sloppy proofreading.

We won you lost...get over it...

That is not my answer but the answers I have received when I expressed my concerns.

Or perhaps you had a long detailed discussion of this issue and you failed to make a coherent case?

Has anyone ever told you to shut up?
Apparently not or you did not hear it.

instead you just seemed ticked off because you aren't being particularly persuasive.

I rarely make an OP and even rarer does it make the greatest page...never on the front page i think.
But when I do make an OP it is usually about something I feel strongly about. And Unrec is one of those things because I don't like it when people try to control the content of a board that is not already covered by the moderators. It smacks of censorship and I don't like it and will keep saying that I don't like it.
But why do you worry about it...you now have the tools to shut me down, and I am sure you will use it at every opportunity.

...because you said so over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again until we finally saw the brilliance of your argument?

C'mon, this is a COMMUNITY, not ZEEMIKE.com!

I have really dominated this community alright.

Edited to note that you have over 13.000 postes in the last 4 years
Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?Did you use the copy and paste over and over again?

...and then proceeded to criticize me for how many post I have when clearly this has nothing at all to do with the content of my previous reply to you. Read it again. See how I'm talking about this one topic only?

to the will of the majority and STFU?
And you did accuse me of trying to own this forum...Zeemike.com I believe you said. My post count does not support that charge.

It would not take it off the greatest page but it would show that it was not an opinion unanimously accepted by all of DU. A small effect, I would agree, but some people are shitting bricks that they cannot get their crap to the greatest page. Of course, they would not call it crap. And that would be a subjective description on my part.

I wouldn't be against making a "Hottest Threads" page though, for threads with a lot of total recs/unrecs, but which aren't on Greatest.

But I cannot understand why people would be against the vote? We vote on everything. We even vote crappy politicians into office. Maybe we should have a monarchy or dictatorship in this country, rather than a democracy? It would not matter what the majority thought, the king would make the decision. And all those that agreed with him would cheer loudly. And the majority that disagreed would be silent.

What's a "legitimate" concern? Does that translate to...legal action? Let's put this in perspective. It's a discussion board where people exchange opinions. Decisions about the fate of the nation are not made here.

It's a new feature, and from what I've seen in cyberspace, there's always an adjustment period. Some egos are having a hard time with the concept of actually seeing tangible evidence of disagreement with their views.

What's so legitimate about this "concern?" I find it laughable. Anyone who has their panties in a wad over this should either get a life or create their own site and see how much traffic they get. I can't believe anyone is still wound up over this shit.

Seriously, how much of a loser does someone have to be to lose sleep because some people who didn't like his / her thread kept it off the "greatest" page?

To the o/p, I respect your attempt to smooth ruffled feathers, but catering to whiners is no solution, so I would have to call it "unacceptable" despite your obviously good intentions.

:shrug:

a post I'd recommend if it were possible to recommend a reply. Good call. :hi:

but I do not discredit those that have stated their opposition to the new feature, and as witnessed in this very thread, as illegitimate. Maybe it is, but I would not be so arrogant as to say they are all full of shit? I give them the benefit of the doubt.