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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:03 PM Original message |
"...we have an illegal hiring problem in this country." |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Which is just a specific example of the more general problem of: business breaking the law.... |
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grannylib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. Dry up the jobs and you dry up 99% of illegal immigration. |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That has been the root of the problem since WW2 when |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I think if some of the big employers got some really huge fines and |
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SHRED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. And since the number one employer is... |
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barb162 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:51 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. That would be fine with me. |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. there is no bigger hypocrite than a con |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
9. you got it Granny |
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markbark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 10:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. Surely you must be joking.... |
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Viva_La_Revolution (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:24 PM Response to Original message |
3. speaking of Thom |
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Bobbieo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:34 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. The AZ Republic did a front page spread on 'Viewpoint' today |
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Morgana LaFey (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
7. Molly Ivins wrote a really amazing column when this |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
8. Well thats fine if you have money.... |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 10:09 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. You have it exactly backwards.. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. Well, for one, even with no illegals at all, someone will do it for the chump change they pay |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 11:58 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. with no illegals, US citizens can unionize again |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:32 AM Response to Reply #17 |
25. right, because there were no scabs back in the days of organized labor |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:35 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. "back in the days of organized labor" |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. you really believe all this, don't you? Wow. Stunning |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:44 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. wow, not much of an argument you have there, huh? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Deleted message |
NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:47 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. strawmen and insults, that's all you got huh? |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. don't want to interrupt your racist fairy tale any further |
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NormanYorkstein (762 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. again, just name calling |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #16 |
20. The minimum wage is being raised. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:33 AM Response to Reply #20 |
26. Still, there is someone out there who will do it for less |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 07:10 AM Response to Reply #26 |
38. No, there isn't that's the point. The only reason there is always "someone who will do it for less" |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #12 |
19. You believe that employers will be forced to raise wages |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. soon to be illustrated like this |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. The law of supply and demand is what drives wages. |
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IChing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Simplistic and is merely a Ricardian general equilibrium system |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 07:03 AM Response to Reply #24 |
37. Perhaps you could expain further in terms the layman can understand? |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
30. Nobody is "driving illegals out" |
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MazeRat7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #12 |
22. No employers want margins to remain constant... |
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Jonathan50 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 07:20 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. Wages are only a minor portion of the cost of producing most goods. |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:58 AM Response to Reply #8 |
35. You've swallowed the lie that's delivered daily by the reich-wing. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 11:35 PM Response to Original message |
14. I personally find it hilarious that the company contracted to build the fence hired illegals |
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ReadTomPaine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-08-07 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
18. No one can "steal" a job - it's a concept without rationality. |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 06:36 AM Response to Original message |
28. This is so obvious... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Apr-09-07 07:01 AM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Exactly, and it doesn't cost anything (in government budget terms). |
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