A show of "hands" thread-DUers for applying the rule of law and accountability to BUSH/CHENEY era

CRIMINALS.

Just show your "hands" like this...

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jerk of the rope will cause their head to pop off just like the cork of a Champagne bottle. That was a concern when Saddam was hung. It won't matter to the condemned, but it makes a horrible mess of things and reflects badly on an already barbaric practice.

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soul crushing boredom.

Then I envision a laughing Saddam greeting them in Hell. Bastards.

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They ACCEPTED it long ago and don't want their 'beautiful minds' strained by any exercise of their right to know what is done in their name.

know our government would never do anything to 'intentionally' harm us crowd?

The ones that believe * would lie to start a war, but... never mind. Don't want this ending up in the dungeon.

my hero Bill Clinton helped close them to protect the secrecy and privilege of the Bushes and the powerful elite."

many decades now.

Glad people such as yourself are seeing with clarity through that smoke and beyond the mirrors. Your BCCI research is impressive!

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Too fucking CHICKENSHIT to say who they are.

They're FUCKING COWARDS

Because that is them.

Asshole cowards indeed.

And I honestly think most of those are just Freeper Trolls here to start flame wars.

Obviously when I use the quotes I do not mean to imply the real Obama Supporters on this board, just those who would clearly rather have more of the same than the change that Obama himself promised.

And if you support not going after Bush for his crimes, get the fuck out of here because you're on the wrong board.

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The DLC believes int eh same things as Bush. In fact, they enabled Bush for the last 8 years.

I'm not seeing anything noteworthy about a thread full of waving smilies in support of a no-brainer... like there's anyone here who here doesn't believe Cheney's a massive crook and crooks need to be held accountable? Not only does this inane drivel not belong on TGP it doesn't belong here period unless this is DU for Kindergartners (and it's turkeys like this thread that make me wonder when the next paste taste-testing is and running with blunt tipped scissors race occurs... before or after nap time and the smearing of finger paints?).

It's embarrassing that with all the many many many really great well written informative threads and discussions here they didn't get even a miniscule fraction of recs this utterly pointless nonsense has.
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I would prefer that the rule of law be applied to any administration equally, should the need arise.

It's unfair and very Republican to apply standards to those who are opponents, and yet not require those same standards be applied to allies as well.

Just saying!

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supposed to accomplish? Isn't it like posting a thread titled 'Who here wants to win the lottery'?
Just curious, really.

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for the replies.

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I feel that the entire Bush/Cheney illegal regime of thugs and cronies should be investigated -- starting with Bush/Cheney/Rumsefeld/Rice, and continuing right through until every single war criminal, thug, cronie, lackey, and thief in that horrible, evil, corrupt and illegal regime has been completely and totally investigated.

It is NOT a waste of time to do these investigations. The illegal and totally corrupt Bush/Cheney regime of thugs and cronies engaged in torture and other terrible war crimes. They took this nation to war for NO reason, and they bombed innocent children and women in Iraq, and had thousands of American soldiers killed just to satisfy the blood lust of Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice, and the rest of those evil monsters.

Also, they did everything they could to take away the rights of Americans. They listened in to our phone calls. They looked at our emails. They even demanded to see what books we checked out form the library!

They are all monsters -- everyone of them.

And they deserve to be not just investigated. They deserve to be indicted, tried, and CONVICTED for their terrible crimes. And they deserve imprisonment in the same types of cells they put "detainees" into. Monstrous people who commit monstrous crimes should be investigated. We did it at Nuremburg after WWII. We MUST DO IT NOW!

It is the ONLY way we can begin to move into the new era of peace, prosperity, justice, gender equality, and love that President Obama really wishes to move our country - and the entire world - to.

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I have felt from the beginning that it is a moral and ethical debt we owe to the world.

And nothing has changed my mind yet.

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(No, really. I will bite. Don't stand too close too close to me. I can get rabid about this.)

but I will gladly march in this one.
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I STAND with the ACLU in demanding that Holder immediately appoint a legitimate Independent Prosecutor and START the whole process...Federal Grand Jury, Subpoenas, Sworn Testimony under oath, Indictments, and Public Trials.

There is already enough evidence of serious crimes.
Any "Congressional Investigations" or "Truth and Reconciliation (Whitewash) Commissions" are a waste of time and a diversion at this point.

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They could sit in prison and talk about the "good old days". Pigs.

I would do the little raised hand emoticon, but I seem to be too dumb to find them.

look above the subject line.

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but for our history books.

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To the radical idea that no one is above the law...

Yoo betcha!

this in response to a stupid pug who decried wallowing in the past.

guess which of her phrases ('investigating a blowjob for five years' was close to what she said) was discussed by Shuster and his co host....

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Hold Bush/Cheney accountable now.

"Rec this thread if..." post. :applause:

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OH YEAH!!!!!!!

The two best chances are torture and wireless wiretapping.

Holder has admitted to signing off on outsourced torture under Clinton - I don't think he'll want to prosecute for the same crime he was an accessory to.

Obama has heartily endorsed warrantless wiretapping, so that's out.

Sorry. I'd love to see BushCo in prison!

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"The Buck stops here."

He had a sign made and put it on his desk, in the Oval Office.

....But times and circumstances have changed.

Find out who's accountable for what, no matter where
the investigative trail leads. I'd like to see an open
investigation -- not a witch-hunt -- that would simply
be empowered by Congress to make public some of the
questions we've all had these last 10 years, or so:

WTF!?? to the nth power.

It's difficult to imagine that absolutely Everything would trace
back to the residents of 1600 Pennyslvania Ave.

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Here's my latest:

Dear AG Holder,

I just read that you make probe Bush Era Torture. I want to whole heartedly endorse this probe. The law is only worthy if it pertains equally to all. I have been horrified of the reports by Sy Hersh that children were raped to force their parents to give information. I read that this torture might legally include crushing a child's testicles if the president ordered it (Notre Dame Professor Doug Cassel debating John Yoo). What barbarians are behind this reasoning and these atrocities? This was done in our name, and I for one will not rest until those who instigated this horrific crime are brought to justice!

I hope you will read the following by journalist/attorney Scott Horton:

This administration did more than commit crimes. It waged war against the law itself. It transformed the Justice Department into a vehicle for voter suppression, and it also summarily dismissed the U.S. attorneys who attempted to investigate its wrongdoing. It issued wartime contracts to substandard vendors with inside connections, and it also defunded efforts to police their performance. It spied on church groups and political protesters, and it also introduced a sweeping surveillance program that was so clearly illegal that virtually the entire senior echelon of the Justice Department threatened to (but did not in fact) tender their resignations over it. It waged an illegal and disastrous war, and it did so by falsely representing to Congress and to the American public nearly every piece of intelligence it had on Iraq. And through it all, as if to underscore its contempt for any authority but its own, the administration issued more than a hundred carefully crafted "signing statements" that raised pervasive doubt about whether the president would even accede to bills that he himself had signed into law.

No prior administration has been so systematically or so brazenly lawless. Yet it is no simple matter to prosecute a former president or his senior officers. There is no precedent for such a prosecution, and even if there was, the very breadth and audacity of the administration's activities would make the process so complex as to defy systems of justice far less fragmented than our own. But that only means choices must be made. Indeed, in weighing the enormity of the administration's transgressions against the realistic prospect of justice, it is possible to determine not only the crime that calls most clearly for prosecution but also the crime that is most likely to be successfully prosecuted. In both cases, that crime is torture.

There can be no doubt that torture is illegal. There is no wartime exception for torture, nor is there an exception for prisoners or "enemy combatants," nor is there an exception for "enhanced" methods. The authors of the Constitution forbade "cruel and unusual punishment," the details of that prohibition were made explicit in the Geneva Conventions ("No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever"), and that definition has in turn become subject to U.S. enforcement through the Uniform Code of Military Justice, the U.S. Criminal Code, and several acts of Congress.1

1. In addition to being illegal, torture is profoundly un-American. The central premise of the American experiment is the belief, informed by Enlightenment principles, that the dignity and worth of the individual is at least as important as that of the state. This belief weighed heavily on the minds of the Founders. The new American military was to be a force of yeoman soldiers, citizens in peacetime who were to be regarded as no less than citizens in wartime. Enemy soldiers likewise were to be treated with respect. George Washington, in the winter of 1776, sent a written order to officers overseeing prisoners: "Treat them with humanity." And in 1863, at another time of crisis, Abraham Lincoln included the prohibition of torture in the first American codification of the laws of war, which he also issued as a direct order to his field commanders. By way of such American leadership, the prohibition on torture was gradually absorbed into international law.

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You have to wonder how the rest of the world views us after reading this British report:

Luke Harding
The Guardian, Thursday 20 May 2004

The scandal at Abu Ghraib prison was first exposed not by a digital photograph but by a letter. In December 2003, a woman prisoner inside the jail west of Baghdad managed to smuggle out a note. Its contents were so shocking that, at first, Amal Kadham Swadi and the other Iraqi women lawyers who had been trying to gain access to the US jail found them hard to believe.
The note claimed that US guards had been raping women detainees, who were, and are, in a small minority at Abu Ghraib. Several of the women were now pregnant, it added. The women had been forced to strip naked in front of men, it said. The note urged the Iraqi resistance to bomb the jail to spare the women further shame.

Late last year, Swadi, one of seven female lawyers now representing women detainees in Abu Ghraib, began to piece together a picture of systemic abuse and torture perpetrated by US guards against Iraqi women held in detention without charge. This was not only true of Abu Ghraib, she discovered, but was, as she put it, "happening all across Iraq".

In November last year, Swadi visited a woman detainee at a US military base at al-Kharkh, a former police compound in Baghdad. "She was the only woman who would talk about her case. She was crying. She told us she had been raped," Swadi says. "Several American soldiers had raped her. She had tried to fight them off and they had hurt her arm. She showed us the stitches. She told us, 'We have daughters and husbands. For God's sake don't tell anyone about this.'"

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Earlier this month it emerged that an Iraqi woman in her 70s had been harnessed and ridden like a donkey at Abu Ghraib and another coalition detention centre after being arrested last July. Labour MP Ann Clwyd, who investigated the case and found it to be true, said, "She was held for about six weeks without charge. During that time she was insulted and told she was a donkey."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/may/20/iraq.gender


and finally I want to leave you with a quote by our current president:
“Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek.”
Barack Obama


It is up to us to force the change we desire. I will continue to voice my outrage until justice is served. It is up to you to bring these monsters to justice. I urge you to act.

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I mean there is a whole list of Articles of Impeachment against them already, printed in the Congressional Record no less.

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"rule of law" Rethugs??

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Let the investigation go wherever it leads and let those at the highest levels, not simply the implementing minions, be punished to the full extent of the law! If we don't do it ourselves, others WILL step up to the plate and, in fact, have already begun investigations. Wouldn't it be "loverly" for a country that purportedly believes in the Rule of Law to be upstaged? It would most certainly be embarrassing, at the very least.

Many of these same individuals literally got away with murder during their Iran-Contra frolics. They have nothing but scorn for the laws that most of us respect, and scorn for us as well.

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and I love Obama but if he is contiuing any of those shady policies of theirs then he needs to be investigated too or stop those programs immediately.

Like holding detainees indefinately wihtout a trial.Have a damn trial anywhere.
Any of that NSA spying stuff must be stopped unless htey have a court order.Period

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I unrecced, dammit and here's why:

Not because I want the chenee/boosh criminal cabal protected from justice, but because I dislike "kick this if.." threads.

AND I dislike posters who, when offered courteous disagreement along with my rationale explained civilly and objectively, turn to Palinesque insults viz. "You're not one of us".

In "Let's do this" threads, I would prefer to see links or other resources provided so that we may DO something useful once we get AFK.

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