Pat Buchannon suggests that Todd Palin should murder Levi Johnston

Keep it classy Pat, keep it classy :eyes:


http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/07/13/pat-buchanan-palins-husband-should-murder-levin/

Conservative pundit and onetime Nixon aide Pat Buchanan suggested in an interview Monday that Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s husband should murder her daughter’s ex-boyfriend for speaking unfavorably about her campaign and decision to resign.

“Well, first, with regard to Levi, I think First Dude up there in Alaska, Todd Palin, ought to take Levi down to the creek and hold his head underwater until the thrashing stops,” Buchanan quipped.

TIME’s Mark Halperin chuckled and remarked, “That’s a reality show, right there.”

if that happened.

Typical violent conservative response. :eyes:

It is both horrific and hilarious.

:shrug:

It was the Palin family that paraded him around the campaign trail as they tried to make their pregnant daughter look respectable to the adoring right wing crowds. We all knew the "engagement" was false and the kid was being used.

The whole Morning Joe crowd got a good chuckle out of Buchanan's comments while they continue their disgusting Sarah Palin love fest.

When will they realize that Palin is a user? When she is finished with you, you are done. I hope Levi Johnston makes a ton of money.

If I recall, Levi was quoted as complaining about having to go to the convention when he wanted to go hunting.

So, Levi wasn't man enough to tell Bristol and her mom "Screw that, I'm going hunting!"?

I love how everyone is being taking in by Levi who's in this for the money just as much as Sarah is. Think about it. Levi knew what type of person Sarah was well before she got picked as the VP candidate and he was willing to go along for the ride as long as DC was in the target.

Once that train left the station Levi decided to go for the money in the only way remaining to him. So now he slams the woman who up till 2 months ago he still would have voted for if she ran in 2012.

He's a punk and while I find Pat's joke to be in poor taste I can't blame Todd if he is harboring a certain amount of hostility at this point.

all of them Johnston/Palin family are in it for the money. Levi was 17 or 18 when he appeared at the GOP convention. Did he have a choice? I doubt it. He probably was threatened in some way. After all, Sarah Palin was the Governor of Alaska and who knows what connections she has/had to make life miserable for the Johnston family.

I don't feel sorry for any of them. I guess Todd Palin isn't man enough to take care of the punk either. It's obvious he does whatever Sarah tells him to do.

I want to say mother off the cusp but if not that big someone significant enough to merit the press.

If Levi's mother couldn't be intimidated by Palin's influence or reach why would Levi be intimidated? Palin wasn't that popular with her fellow government employees to where she could threaten Levi with the child issue.

:eyes: And they wonder why they're irrelevant now.

it was probably tongue in cheek. There is enough real crap coming out of Buchanan's mouth to feast on without going for every silly tid-bit.

For instance, calling for a Christian monarchy: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=5877371

You get enough of these lone wolves out there that hear this shit coming from these talk folks and think they have to take action. Like killing that doctor that worked at the women's health center in Kansas or wanting to do a shooting spree at the Jewish Holocaust.

I understand that the right-wingers might like Levi taking bad about their beloved Sarah, but that is still no justification suggesting that he be killed even if that suggestion was made in jest.

so-and-so should be killed. It's called hyperbole and it is a regular part of human speech. I don't think it can or should be done away with. It would be completely ridiculous to interpret this as Pat actually calling for the kid's murder, and if anyone actually did kill him, it would be insane to blame Buchanan for it based on this. We can't all be constantly walking on eggshells for fear that some psycho might kill someone based on a jest. If I say "Sarah Palin is a waste of oxygen", and someone reads that and tries to asphyxiate her, is it my fault? No.

to kill so-n-so or that so-n-so should be killed. It is NOT a part of common speech for any thoughtful person. This meme always comes up in discussions like this, so I've been very carefully listening to friends and family for examples - and I don't know when the last time was I heard anyone say any such thing.

Of course, grammatically speaking, "Sarah Palin is a waste of oxygen" is not saying "I want Sarah Palin dead" - and you know it. There is no action stated or implied in 'waste of oxygen'.

If YOU are hearing YOUR friends spouting violent rhetoric, maybe you need to take a second look at your friends.

I guess everyone I know is just a homicidal maniac, and you are some perfect person with perfect friends. How lovely for you.

"Waste of oxygen" certainly does imply that her death would be, at best, meaningless. A few weeks back on this board I recommended that Peggy Noonan be launched into space, and received several approving replies. Are we all inciting murder? No. If this were anyone but Pat Buchanan saying this, you'd see it entirely differently, I suspect.

Walking on eggshells makes us fight each other, not just the right. Pat Buchanan offers a substantial supply of true wretchedness. We dilute that by harping on a joke that doesn't fly in a few circles. In truth, most people in this country wouldn't be that offended by what Buchanan said in this case, so they wouldn't get the big deal.

Now his racist, intolerant crazy-ass crap needs to be discussed loudly and often.

It is nothing but mean-spiritedness, a shallower example of his intolerant crazy-ass crap.

It doesn't matter what you or I think, a lot of people in this country would.

Yet I have often said such things in jest: "Whoa! I kill for less than that!"

I am much more careful nowadaysbecpeople are so quick to assume one means real violence--or to pretend that they believe that.

I think the problem is not that Buchanan said that, but that he said it on TV. I might still make such joking comments around friends or family, but I would certainly never say such a thing to, for example, a student or a colleague.

Buchanan has no filter on TV. He just blurts stuff out without thinking, and since his side have been in power for so long, he can't imagine that there might be consequences to letting it all hang out. I think that is why we see so many appalling things said on FR and on Republican operatives' Facebook pages and in their emails. They simply cannot imagine being held responsible for bad behavior after so many years of having such behavior ignored or even rewarded.

There seems to be a dangerous trend here especially with those on the far right of the political spectrum. These people are known as "Lone Wolves and even wikipedia has a entry for that term - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism) .

So yes, I doubt that Pat Buchannon wants to murder Levi Johnston but the problem is his listeners tend to have Lone Wolves hearing that message. That's why Pat's comment is very dangerous.

You can bet your bottom dollar every GOP pundit and most GOP pols would be screaming that such a pundit was advocating murder.

Tongue in cheek or no, the GOP pundits often advocate violence or even murder but would not sit and smile if liberal pundits did same.

Letting pundits get away with recommending violence, even in jest, tends to desensitize the viewers/listeners to the horror of violence enacted.

Drawing a line in the sand at the point of pundits going on-air and advocating violence is NOT being 'like them'. It is maintaining sane and constructive public discourse.

Tell Dr. Tillers family, staff, and patients that we mustn't call hate mongers on their on-air crap is wrong. Sorry, we won't agree on this point, evidently. There are limits.

And I was not supportive of HRC in her bid for the nomination.

By shear numbers, RW pundits surpass anyone on air with recommendations for violence.

All I am saying is that Buchanan is a racist, intolerant nut-case and he offers plenty of serious ammunition. He should be taken to task for his greatest lunacy so that those statements are most highlighted.

Granted, it was a poor joke, but Letterman didn't advocate killing Bristol.

Chuckling at the angry bigot as if to encourage him.

Actually I'd like to see Mr "First Dude" try something like that. Levi is a lot younger and probably a lot quicker. First Dude might be the one being held underwater.

What I'd REALLY like to see is Levi hold Buchanan's head underwater until the thrashing stops.

is it because he is the only establish pundit they can find to get up and be on air at 6 AM?

Seriously

The people they give airtime to the the stuff they let them say is very disturbing.

so, that probably is the answer

I sent many emails citing Pat's racism/bigotry/sexism, and asking msnbc to get rid of Pat. They responded by giving him more airtime. I finally told them I would change channels every time Pat's mug appeared on my teevee. They don't care.

Ah the good old days.

...some of us remember how he went after someone with a knife in their garage.

Two birds. One stone.

:evilgrin:

:rofl:

...it's the old joke about the out of control, overprotective father. Come on.

to Dr. Tiller

...it reflects worse on us than on Pat if we're going to crush him over an obvious joke.


frankly, we look ridiculous if we go after this.

I'm sure Bill wasn't seriously asking people to kill this man but you just need one right-wing nut job with a screw loose and now you have a dead person.

...then I don't know what to say to you.

I'm not talking about what I think. Personally I don't buy into any of this crap that any of these right-wing screeds out there say.

But your assumption is that anyone who hears this will say "Oh that Pat Buchannon was joking". But what you overlook is concept of "lone wolf" - and this is a mental illiness btw. Timothy McVeigh was considered a lone wolf. Probably Scott Roeder too (the guy that killed Dr. Tiller). This is a phenomenon where people feel they need to take action into their own hands which sometimes leads to violence.

I'm sure Levi Johnston is safe. But when these right-wing screeds keep 'joking' about Violence, it just takes one of these nutjob Lone Wolves to decide "Ok I'm going to do something myself and fix the problem".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lone_wolf_(terrorism)
The term "lone wolf" was subsequently adopted by US law enforcement agencies and by media to refer to individuals following this strategy. The FBI and San Diego Police operation to investigate Curtis' activities was named Operation Lone Wolf, "largely due to Curtis' encouragement of other white supremacists to follow what Curtis refers to as 'lone wolf' activism".<3> Currently, the term "lone-wolf terrorism" now refers to any acts that take place outside a command structure, regardless of ideology.

Usually, the lone-wolf terrorist shares an ideological or philosophical identification with an extremist group, but does not communicate with the group he or she identifies with. While the lone wolf's actions are motivated to advance the group's goal, the tactics and methods are conceived and directed solely by the lone wolf, without any outside command or direction. In many cases, as in the tactic as envisioned by Curtis, the lone wolf never even has any personal contact with a larger group. Because of this, lone-wolf terrorism poses a particular problem for counter-terrorism officials, as it is considerably more difficult to gather intelligence on lone-wolves, compared to conventional terrorists.

In the United States, lone-wolves may present a greater threat than organized groups. According to the Christian Science Monitor, "With the exception of the attacks on the World Trade Center ... the major terrorists attacks in the United States have been perpetrated by deranged individuals who were sympathetic to a larger cause - from Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh to the Washington area sniper John Allen Muhammad".<4>

Relatedly, anti-abortion militants The Army of God use "leaderless resistance" as its organizing principle.<5><6><7>

In fact they don't even view it as murder but justifiable homicide in defense of fetuses. I doubt anyone would view the possible murder of Levi Johnston as justifiable.

especially those in the Alaska separatist group? No, we can't. Like the anti-choice hate talkers, there are some pretty literal followers out there. Public on-air discourse should have standards.

I figure some of them would watch MSNBC just to see who is dissin' Todd's wife. ;)

Of course...there is the freudian aspect of finding those similar to your father as attractive.

just gets more and more bizarre

and see it as a problem-solver.

and see it as a problem-solver.

that buchannon thought that levi should be waterboarded by him and the first dude in an example with the creek thing. IT WAS NOT QUITE CLEAR WHAT HE THOUGHT, but it was clear that the outcome was that levi be silenced. Of course, mika did her silliest giggle that was all apparent, that she approved.

Of course, all of us that report and post what goes on, on morning joe are villified for watching it til it becomes a talking point later in the day.

nt

she'd rather shoot Levi from an airplane.

Who'dda thunk?

therefore his life is not worthy of protection. :sarcasm:

They really think that way. :scared: :puke:

And everyone laughed.

Getting timid, Pat?

“Well, first, with regard to Levi, I think First Dude up there in Alaska, Todd Palin, ought to take Levi down to the creek and hold his head underwater until the thrashing stops,” Buchanan quipped.

What kind of fucking "quip" is that?

Go Levi..dish on those assholes.

I'd pay to see that fight.

What a sick, twisted family the Palins really are.

Pat will never apologize......And Letterman should never have either.