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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:27 PM
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Taibbi: Draw your own conclusions about the distance between Goldman Sachs and the US government
Taibbi writes today:



The prosecution wanted to the judge to deny bail, a la Bernie Madoff and Allen Stanford, because the stolen code “could be use to manipulate the market in unfair ways.” The judge, to his credit chose to disagree. This was an alleged crime against GOLDMAN, not, presumably a crime against society. Therefore it was a “garden variety” economic crime, meaning that the normal niceties of “free on bail” were available.


via Is the U.S. Government An Arm of Goldman Sachs? - Graham and Dodd Investor — Seeking Alpha.


Surely plenty of people followed the story last week of Sergey Aleynikov, a Russian computer whiz who, well, defected from the employ of Goldman Sachs, apparently taking with him the bank’s proprietary trading code. There is a lot of backstory here that is key: if you’ve followed Zero Hedge’s speculations dating back months about Goldman somehow manipulating program trading at the NYSE, this is connected to that, as the theory here is that Aleynikov stole the computer program that Goldman may have been using to manipulate the NYSE.

Such speculations until recently may have sounded like conspiracy theories, but then last week Assistant U.S. Attorney Joseph Facciponti stood up in court and let loose a whopper. “The bank has raised the possibility that there is a danger that somebody who knew how to use this program could use it to manipulate markets in unfair ways,” he said.

Again, this is a federal prosecutor quoting Goldman Sachs, admitting in open court that it has been using a computer program that can be used to unfairly manipulate markets.
Take that information and couple it with the insane data about Goldman’s share of program trading volume since the beginning of the year and… well, you can draw your own conclusions.

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For Goldman, a Swift Return to Lofty Profits

July 12, 2009


Most of Wall Street, and America, is still waiting for an economic recovery. Then there is Goldman Sachs.

Up and down Wall Street, analysts and traders are buzzing that Goldman, which only recently paid back its government bailout money, will report blowout profits from trading on Tuesday.

Analysts predict the bank earned a profit of more than $2 billion in the March-June period, because of its trading prowess across world markets. If they are right, the bank’s rivals will once again be left to wonder exactly how Goldman, long the envy of Wall Street, could have rebounded so drastically only months after the nation’s financial industry was shaken to its foundations.

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So, how do the same MSM journalists who wrote this Times piece explain Goldman's eye-popping success?


In essence, Goldman has managed to do again what it has always done so well: embrace risks that its rivals feared to take and, for the most part, manage those risks better than its rivals dreamed possible.




Epic fail, NY Times. It's simply maddening.


It's not that Goldman Sachs is smarter than everyone else.




It's that they are cheating.










The hounds are tracking Goldman Sachs.




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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:29 PM
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1. nothing will change untill there are new regulations.
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:41 PM
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3. or old regulations are actually enforced.
if they have been front running, that is already way illegal.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:31 PM
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2. "...a federal prosecutor quoting Goldman Sachs,
admitting in open court that it has been using a computer program that can be used to unfairly manipulate markets."

That does seem pretty cut and dry.

Amazing the way the NYT editors try to spin that into risk management. They don't even care. They're lying through their teeth, and they don't care who knows it.

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 01:55 PM
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4. "manage those risks better "
by having enough loot and leverage to have anyone who is anybody in their pocket.
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Kaleko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:08 PM
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16. That's it. Pure and simple.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:25 PM
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5. Id give this post a hundred recs if I could. nt
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truedelphi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:20 PM
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9. Same here. n/t
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:19 AM
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20. Dammit ..I have to kick this again? Connect the dots DU...
Edited on Tue Jul-14-09 12:19 AM by wroberts189

They stole your pensions , trust funds ..you name it and they did it with a computer program that can do insider trading which is ILLEGAL.

Can you spare a REC?

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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 02:35 PM
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6. We have one Phil Gramm, in the 90's
along with another unindicted co-conspirator decided UBS needed to help their already wealthy clients in America, so if I may take this opportunity to say thanks for negating the regulatory Glass-Steagall Act that facilitated the gigantic rip off of taxpayers. The true RWers never need to raise taxes as long as there's a scheme to use in place of raising taxes. IE the S&L. (I know you know seafan).
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:17 PM
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7. 'Goldman is complaining about someone stealing the gun they’ve been using to rob banks?!?!?'
From commenter markbolton at Taibbi's blog:



“Again, this is a federal prosecutor quoting Goldman Sachs, admitting in open court that it has been using a computer program that can be used to unfairly manipulate markets.”

So, in effect, Goldman is complaining about someone stealing the gun they’ve been using to rob banks?!?!? This sounds too much like, “Officer! Officer! That guy just stole my dope!!!” Pathetic.

And then, instead of having bells go off in his head, the prosecutor just repeats Goldman’s line of reasoning?!?!? I can’t take this shit much longer!





That's about the size of it.







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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:19 PM
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10. As the prosecutor winks at the Goldman Atty.
The old boys club.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 04:47 PM
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11. Nice analogy.
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lumberjack_jeff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:49 AM
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25. Exactly right. n/t
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 03:19 PM
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8. K&R
:kick:
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 06:56 PM
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12. ...
:kick:
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GiveMeFreedom Donating Member (445 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 07:28 PM
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13. Goldman Sachs...
Cheaters? Really? Who'd a thunk it. Now if we could only rewrite the Declaration of Independence to replace "he" with "corporations" we'd be on are way to freedom from the tyranny caused by these greedy mother fuckers!
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Spoutwell Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 08:26 PM
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14. reminds me of how that financial analyst was able to conclude Bernie Madoff was a scam
though, NO ONE would investigate him, either... until he stepped forward himself :shakeshead:

i guess the golden rule is in effect for the GoldMAN... he who has the gold MAKES the rules, eh?
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Vinnie From Indy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 09:40 PM
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15. Goldman-Sachs is Looting America
They appear not to be hiding it anymore. That's power!
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Bgno64 Donating Member (255 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:05 AM
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23. Yep,
That's power, and that's the future, because the government that ought to be preventing this is subservient to it.
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wroberts189 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:13 PM
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17. I think this needs a kick. nt
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:17 PM
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18. G-S is an economic terrorist organization. n/t
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-13-09 10:35 PM
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19. Kick ...some RW Financial site were trying to trash Taibbi today...
Glad he's replying.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 07:04 AM
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21. Perp Walks!
This country needs to see perp walks! We need to see the rule of law applied to the rich and powerful. We need reassurance that no one is above the law.

Yes, Madoff was a good catch (took ya long enough). One would argue that he was a rogue element, acting on his own (ie-he's not a big bank). We need to see some semblance of justice applied to the powerful banks.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 09:08 AM
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22. I agree.
And :kick:
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 10:42 AM
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24. Nothing will change until we have serious campaign finance reform
that could stop them from owning everybody and every thing in sight.
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German Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:10 PM
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31. To say it with Bill Moyers
from his article about goverment- and mediacorruption http://www.alternet.org/politics/141258/'the_select_few'_are_cashing_in%3A_shocking_corruption_at_the_washington_post/


Nothing will change -- nothing -- until the money lenders are tossed out of the temple, the ATM's are wrested from the marble halls, and we tear down the sign they've placed on government -- the one that reads, "For Sale."
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 02:41 PM
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32. Beautifully said. Welcome aboard DU.
:hi:
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:18 AM
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26. The next economic bubble
is the carbon cap and trade scam that Goldman has been been heavily promoting for years.
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bertman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 11:55 AM
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27. Don't hold your breath waiting for AG Holder to "investigate" this. He'd have to cuff
his friends, Rubin, Paulson, Geithner, and Blankenfein, as well as a bunch of other former GS execs who now work for 'us' at Treasury. That ain't gonna happen, folks.

Actually, we probably should expect an apology soon from the Treasury Department for anyone questioning the integrity of such an upstanding financial organization as Goldman Sachs.

Recommend this thread.


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tiptoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:32 PM
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28. K&R ! nt
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Democrats_win Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:46 PM
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29. Link to Matt Taibbi's Rolling Stone article about all of GS's bubbles
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-14-09 12:55 PM
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30. Goldman RanSachs, you mean. nt
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