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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:15 PM
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zak se mas? Does someone here know of a Czech word
that phonectically sounds like "zultz"? The word is supposed to be a noun for the remaining gellatinous material at the bottom of a pot after certain type of meat (pork, maybe?) has been boiled.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:17 PM
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1. Yiddish for chicken fat....
....I know. The other...no. :hi:
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:23 PM
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6. Like... a schmear of schmaltz?

:)
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:23 PM
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7. Yiddish for chicken fat is "schmaltz"
cruets of which are still used as a condiment in old-school NYC delis. :puke:

This practice presumably gave rise to the term "schamltzy".
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:18 PM
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2. is it shmutz? This is common to a couple of languages.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:20 PM
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3. Schmutz in Yiddish
means "dirt."

You're thinking of "schmaltz" - chicken fat.................
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:23 PM
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8. no, I forgot about shmaltz--I meant a little bit of unidentifiable substance
that should be wiped away.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:26 PM
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9. You got it right - then -
schmutz - dirt.

But not what the OP was looking for, was it?
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librechik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:55 PM
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12. you're right, got distracted--there is a czech food word zelo or zelim
which means sauerkraut--also not the right word.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:31 PM
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14. That might be close. The dish is pigs' feet boiled in a pot. Then the water is
reduced to only a gelatin after the feet are removed. The gelatin is rich and salty.

I've never seen the word written, but the family uses the word "zultz".
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:35 PM
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15. If it's pork -
it's what we call "treyfe," that's non-kosher in Yiddish, so, yes, calling it "schmutz," which means "dirt," would make a whole lot of sense, wouldn't it?
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:42 PM
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16. Zelatina? That's the closest I've come with the English-Czech online dictionary.
"Zelatina" is czech for "gelatin." Maybe it was a colloquial term combining zelatina and schmutz.

That might be as close as we're gonna get. No one in the family that actually knows a little czech is able to spell or find the word for me for that substance.

Texas Czechs. They brought so much culture to us, but I'm not convinced they left a detailed trail to follow.

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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:49 PM
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17. The words I cannot find
in Italian or Polish or Russian, all the languages around me as I was growing up - the articulations were so colloquial and, combined with an American accent, man, I'll never hunt them down.

I think you've got it, though - that combination makes perfect sense.

Isn't DU amazing?

:toast:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 08:58 PM
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21. Much smarter than Google! nt
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livetohike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:56 PM
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18. My heritage is Slovak
We call this dish "studenina", but I don't know what the actual gelation part is called.
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 08:56 PM
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20. I think that is where the "zela..." and "zultz" come in to the lingo. nt
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:20 PM
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4. schmutzig means "dirty" auf Deutsch (eom)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:20 PM
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5. I believe zak se mas is a saying like what the fuck...
At least that is what I gathered from my folks who spoke polish.

Only it was pronounces Yak Se Mash, in our house. I don't know, that was thirty five years ago...
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:30 PM
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10. I think it's more like, "hey, how ya doin''

If not, then I'm in belated doodoo! :D
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 06:00 PM
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13. That's what I learned -
It's sort of like "How you doing?"
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 08:44 PM
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19. Well, that was what my dad said so he was probably just.....
Fucking with me...
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KatyMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:26 AM
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26. My dad used to tell us that Kimosabe
Edited on Fri Jul-17-09 09:26 AM by KatyMan
meant Asshole. Nice thing to tell a kid! :)
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 11:27 AM
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27. Those crazy dads....
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:13 AM
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25. Jak se máš...
...means "How are you doing?" or "What's up?". I'm sitting on the source here, so if you need any Czech or German translations, let me know.
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LiberalAndProud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jul-16-09 05:37 PM
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11. škvarky ?
It means crackling or greaves, which would conform to your given definition.
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 02:11 AM
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22. Being that many Yiddish words...
...come from German, I was reminded of "Sulze" (aspic), when I read "zultz". The process you described would support this. "Schmalz", by the way, is German for "lard".
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 08:23 AM
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23. That sounds just like it! Isn't DU brilliant? Thank you so much! nt
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snake in the grass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-17-09 09:09 AM
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24. You're very welcome.
I asked a Czech friend of mine what the word for "aspic" is. Get ready...."aspik". So it does come from the German "Sülze" or "Sulz".
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