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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:04 PM Original message |
I'm getting frustrated, confused and angry now - the House is pushing Single Payer by STATE? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
1. Canada's healthcare system started out in one province. |
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Texasgal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. This is very true |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Doesn't matter. It only takes 1 or 2 surceases to base national reform on |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:20 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. And it remains ran provincially |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:17 PM Response to Reply #1 |
44. Gay marriage will probably be carried from state to federal level someday |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
2. It is an amendment to the house tri-committee bill |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:17 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. Higher medicaid costs, state employee plans and hospital subsidies. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
22. You seem confused as to the cost. Single Payer costs far less than what we now have or than what |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
47. It costs less in the long run but it costs the state more initially. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No. The state would take it's federal Medicare, Medicade, Chip, VA and all it's own |
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lumberjack_jeff (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:05 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. The 10%? I pulled it out of my ass. |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #51 |
56. Canada has the second most costly health care system in the world. They pay around 50% per capita |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:21 AM Response to Reply #47 |
59. "a single state doesn't have the power and leverage" - which is why state-by-state = dumb. |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. It may be the only way a single payer system can grace the US. |
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kath (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
8. "bribery system" is exactly what we have. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. I said a long time ago it might have to be state by state |
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dana_b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. I think it helps |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. Canada's current system is run by individual provinces. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:29 PM Response to Reply #7 |
16. I have always thought statehouses are filled with even more cronyism & corruption |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Do you pay attention to National Politics? Do K Street and/or C Street mean anything to you? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
30. as someone who used to cover small-time politics |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
25. What are the populations of those provinces? |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:23 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. What does that have to do with anything? |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #27 |
31. I was addressing post 16. I was trying to figure out their position. |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Sorry, my mistake. I misinterpreted. n/t |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. My position on what? nt |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. As to why such a scenario would be a nightmare |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:26 PM Response to Reply #16 |
28. And the voters of those states get the system that they want. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. That's basically the system Canada uses |
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cascadiance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #9 |
38. This sounds kind of like the way unemploment insurance is deployed here?... |
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sharesunited (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:17 PM Response to Original message |
11. What state can afford to do this? |
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Oregone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:25 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. It would need the federal subsidies in lieu of indvidual "credit" payouts |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. The first state that does it will have businesses |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. If, Saskatchewan , Alberta, and Quebec could do it, why couldn't we? It's way cheaper than what we |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Alberta is hardly a left-wing paradise, either. |
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wroberts189 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:50 PM Response to Reply #11 |
41. What if a bunch of states got together...? (just an idea) nt |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
17. It is a way to leave the door open for Single Payer. |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
37. How could it forbid it? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
18. I view this amendment with relief and happiness. the original house bill would have outlawed |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
19. Yah, yah. We know. Anything that isn't EVERYTHING is worthless. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
20. No this just means the states won't be prohibited |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:52 PM Response to Original message |
23. That would be a good idea actually. |
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Phoebe Loosinhouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 12:56 PM Response to Original message |
26. Nothing has EVER prevented any state until now creating a single payer program |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #26 |
43. Has single payer been introduced at the state level? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:04 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. With all due respect, you are asking the question of someone who doesn't have the facts |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Do you think the Gubinator will pay politically? |
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John Q. Citizen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:21 PM Response to Reply #26 |
49. Yes it has. States recieve federal dollars for Medicare, Medicade, Chip, and lots of other |
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chill_wind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
34. Why it's good: |
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BattyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
35. Well, at least single-payer is on the table |
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harun (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #35 |
55. Hopefully, it will be on 50 tables. Living in PA I know we would get on it |
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Stevepol (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
39. Great!! K&R!! |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. This is the best news I've heard all day |
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Juche (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
42. Get some big democratic states to support it and unify |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:21 PM Response to Original message |
45. It should help or single payer may disappear from the dialogue |
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GeorgeGist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. This is a ploy to divide the states ... |
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justinaforjustice (519 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. No, Kucinich is Right! |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 01:46 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. You know, I would totally vote for him if he managed to pull this off. nt |
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superduperfarleft (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. It's how single-payer is done in Canada. |
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NightWatcher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-17-09 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
52. Which state's politicians have not been bought off by Big Pharma and Big Ins, and would limit them? |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
58. Some people in Congress read CANADIAN history |
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SeattleGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Exactly. Sometimes you have to start at a smaller level, in order to |
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jcarterhero (54 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-18-09 02:27 AM Response to Original message |
61. Canada's system started out in a similar way |
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