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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:32 PM Original message |
Why did they dismiss the charge against Gates? Commonwealth v. Mulvey |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. The "disorderly" conduct was performed in front of the general public, not just officers. |
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SemiCharmedQuark (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Yelling at an officer is not illegal if it does not incite others or affect the investigation. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
25. +1 |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. The police officer created the incident. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. Did you read the police report? The incident began when Gates answered the door. |
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Solomon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
10. "Did you read the police report"? There in lies your error. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. You're confusing "led to believe" with verification. |
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N7255Q (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:47 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. You mean a burglar might lie to the police??? Inconceivable!!! |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
20. So tell me, he has the Harvard Identification card |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:11 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. It's probably procedure when dealing with complaints on Harvard property. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Bull - no crime was being committed. There was no need to call |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:38 AM Response to Reply #24 |
34. Right...because cops in Cambridge know that there are no black professors at Harvard. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Try again. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
48. If a white professor had acted the way Gates did, Crowley's actions would have been the same. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:44 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. If it had been a white professor, Crowley wouldn't have done anything |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Crowley followed procedure...as he would have if Gates was white. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:41 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. No, Crowley didn't - especically taking into consideration that he |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:15 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Crowley DID give his name. Twice. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. He didn't give it a third time or provide his card or identification. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. We disagree. Having worked in law enforcement, I believe Crowley acted appropriately... |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. If Crowley had come to my door, I wouldn't have let him in. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:38 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Would you have stepped outside, answered a simple question, and provided ID? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:53 PM Response to Reply #55 |
61. I've worked in LE |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Just curious...in what capacity did you "work in LE"? |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. I've actually worn a badge, had the polyester uniform, name tag, |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:11 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Our opinions still differ. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Informed based upon the facts as written in Crowley's own report |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. Yep. And an opinion, nonetheless. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:46 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Where were the facts that I stated in error? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. It's a standard request that cops are taught to skirt the LAW. |
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MercutioATC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Ok, so police resopnding to a break-in should just walk away if the occupant tells them to leave? |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:47 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. No, he should be polite, identify himself, and tell the person why he showed up. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Nope - try again and this time, pay attention to the report you rely upon. |
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N7255Q (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. It sure appears that Gates approached the encounter with a huge chip on his shoulder. |
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Celebration (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. so what? |
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N7255Q (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:01 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. Starting a fracas with cops is never a smart thing to do. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
31. do you hear yourself. defending the cops by telling all us they are abusive adn WE need |
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truedelphi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:12 PM Response to Reply #13 |
22. Consider this - many here at DU live with or know of someone who |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. I wish I could recomment this reply. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
30. he is allowed to have a chip. not our business, not against the law. you are missing the group |
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orleans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
72. so, if i'm white and i am siding with the black guy where does that leave me |
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HiFructosePronSyrup (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. lulz |
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starroute (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
21. There's something weird about the address given in that report |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:19 PM Response to Reply #1 |
27. right, cause the threat is all these other harvard types in upscale area are going to be provoked? |
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librechik (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. excuse me, where are the names of those in the public disturbed by Gates behavior? |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Prosecutor must not have thought so when he dropped the case for "legal insufficiency" |
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Eric J in MN (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
2. There should be no such crime as "disorderly conduct." |
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slampoet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Even denial of resisting arrest will get you charged with "resisting arrest" |
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N7255Q (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
15. But the legislatures in every state have given that 'charge' to cops. Mostly as a way to generate $ |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:12 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. I tend to agree with you. |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #2 |
29. Agreed. It's a bullshit charge that means "you're bothering me, boy!" |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
3. Seems like a reasonable precedent to use. |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:35 PM Response to Reply #3 |
36. Most folks defending the cops forget that the cops are supposed to |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:33 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. and when someone continues.... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:53 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. False arrest when they arrested for violating no laws. |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
9. Federal law makes hash of 'Contempt of Cop', at least in a majority |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. OMG, 7 passer-bys were looking |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:21 PM Response to Original message |
28. Actually I think it was more along the likes of the situation was no longer |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:39 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Actually, they couldn't prosecute. |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:15 PM Response to Reply #32 |
70. So you are saying that disorderly conduct is no longer an offense in |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:32 PM Response to Original message |
38. This actually isn't applicable..... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:55 PM Response to Reply #38 |
42. No they were not. |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. Read the court ruling again... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:14 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. You read the opinion again |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Here's part of what you underscored.... |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Oh, so the police fucked up when they didn't obtain the names of the |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:33 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Seven includes the campus police called to the scene |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. It might, but I don't know. The cop didn't list the witnesses as is |
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HardWorkingDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:38 PM Response to Reply #46 |
73. Do you realize.... |
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quiller4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:31 PM Response to Reply #43 |
57. There were no "offended" parties. All neighbors called prosecutor |
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Yavin4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:48 PM Response to Original message |
60. merh, You're Dealing with an Authoritarian Element on DU |
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merh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. Some are freepers pretending to be "the good guys" |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
71. And so the terrorist cop had to get him on the porch. |
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