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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:38 PM Original message |
Every year over 140,000 men are raped in the United States. |
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FourScore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:40 PM Response to Original message |
1. It's too upsetting and people feel powerless to it. n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
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pathansen (696 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
150. Need 2 separate prisons: One for rapists and one for non-rapists |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:43 PM Response to Original message |
3. Yes, and even here, people laugh about it, as if that's OK. |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. even a joke on teevee & in movies |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. It's part of the lack of ethical treatment of prisoners in this country. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:38 PM Response to Reply #10 |
47. Hell, there are DUers that think date rape is OK, so I'm not surprised in the least |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. How can we rehabilitate people? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
7. The entire prison system needs to be reformed. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Double n/t |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Rape is a violent act. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #14 |
24. The hardest part would be to keep it tolerable to the inmates |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:12 AM Response to Reply #24 |
121. ^You make sense, Taitertots^ n/t |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:50 PM Response to Reply #7 |
13. How do we keep people separated so they can't rape each other? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:20 PM Response to Reply #4 |
25. The prison system stopped being about rehabilitation back in the 80s. |
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Rebubula (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:50 PM Response to Reply #25 |
40. Specious at best.. |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It's never been a beacon of hope, but prior to the 80s most states did |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
95. Can't it be all of those |
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Rape in any case is wrong |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
49. I'll bet some guards are guilty of rape, too. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
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DavidDvorkin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
8. If it's something suffered by men |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:04 PM Response to Reply #8 |
21. Sad, but true. |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. not among those of us who work with the victims. assault is assualt. n/t |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. Yes, let's leave the rape threads to the men who enjoy them so much. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #8 |
38. Sad, but true for too many. It's part of the tyranny of sexism ... |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:54 PM Response to Reply #38 |
50. Well said. Thanks. n/t |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
130. You are correct. (n/t) |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. Rape is rape, no matter who the sex of the victim. |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:01 AM Response to Reply #8 |
118. i think you will find on any thread about male rape women strongly denouncing |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:33 AM Response to Reply #8 |
125. Not quite. |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:05 PM Response to Reply #125 |
180. It's rape culture |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:04 PM Response to Reply #125 |
202. "we'd be more sympathetic to your experiences if you'd stop using them as an excuse to dismiss ours" |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #8 |
201. The way this was set up is the problem here. All the feminist voices acknowledged the issues |
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duhneece (967 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
9. I'm unsure of the numbers, but appreciate your post |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
11. The 90,000 number of women raped is probably too low. |
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scrinmaster (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:56 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. You think men are more likely to report a rape? |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. I didn't say that. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
34. Even with your disclaimer, someone finds a way to make trouble. |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:34 PM Response to Reply #20 |
85. Both numbers are probably considerably low (n/t) |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:11 AM Response to Reply #19 |
174. any chance anyone here has read the SOURCES? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #11 |
27. I expect male prison rape is equally, if not more, underreported. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #27 |
99. Reporting a rape in prison can get you killed |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #99 |
189. reporting a spousal rape can do the same, nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:26 AM Response to Reply #27 |
112. "Sadly, women are 'traditional' victims - and there is more public support for them as victims." |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
153. It seems by reading much here, that when a man is raped in prison, he deserves it. |
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dysfunctional press (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
37. one other stat that makes the numbers so alarming- |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #11 |
64. 90,000 rapes a year would be about one woman in five being raped at some point. |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:11 AM Response to Reply #11 |
160. The 90K is reported forcible rape of women, the 140K is an estimate of incidence in prisons. |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
15. Apparently, we are okay with the idea... |
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kirby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. It coincides with our general contempt for prisoner rights... |
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TexasObserver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:06 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Prisons could be so much more than badly marking time. |
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LiberalFighter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
18. Prisons should not be a place where offenders are used by guards or other prisoners. |
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RockaFowler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:08 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. I agree , , , nt |
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rrneck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
26. But it helps |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:27 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Good point... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:37 PM Response to Reply #26 |
86. And VERY good for the prison guard's "unions" |
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canetoad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:50 PM Response to Original message |
29. You are saying |
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Lance_Boyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. self-selected |
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Krakowiak (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
81. The difference being that..... |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
30. telling, that right up front it's said to be a form of control... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:23 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. Then it would have to be recognized as a Hate Crime based on gender. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:32 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. +1 |
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nashville_brook (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 10:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
232. yep -- it's one of those reality-puncturing things. i read that and my head spun, it's so clear... |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
32. I also think young male victim outside of prison underreport as well. n/t |
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Echo In Light (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 03:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Exactly. Look at how many HS sport hazings involve molestation/rape |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:28 AM Response to Reply #39 |
114. Has that changed in recent years with more awareness of the crime... |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #39 |
152. well no - I wasn't thinking that. I think it's boys being molested by someone they know. n/t |
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fascisthunter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
42. holy crap... I had no idea it was THAT many! |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
43. Just for the record, I don't think the 140,000 number is an annual rate. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:27 PM Response to Original message |
44. 90,000 women are REPORTED raped a year. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. Can't It Just Be "140,000 Men ..." MUST You and Others Diminish The Crime of Rape Against Women? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:14 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. There it is. Thank you for stating it so clearly. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
52. +1 |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:45 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. I don't think the OP is trying to diminish the significance of raped women... |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. That's why you missed the point. |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Regardless of accuracy, what was the point of the OP? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Oh I meant this point |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:23 PM Response to Reply #54 |
61. I'm Sure The OP Wasn't Consciously Trying To .. But It Did |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. I might have missed it... |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. I'm Not Sure We Could Explain It Any Better |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:12 PM Response to Reply #67 |
70. Well than maybe you are talking about something that doesn't exist? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #70 |
74. Deleted sub-thread |
Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
100. I'm still waiting to see how the OP diminishes rape against women |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:07 AM Response to Reply #100 |
104. Are the statistics accurate? The OP quite bluntly set it up as a comparison of numbers. That was it. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:59 PM Response to Reply #61 |
69. Deleted sub-thread |
ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:39 PM Response to Reply #48 |
87. Because most would just say "who cares? They're convicts." (n/t) |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:48 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Okay, Well, Good Luck With That |
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Liquorice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:53 PM Response to Reply #48 |
91. I agree. I thought the same thing when I read the OP. nt |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
111. Nice line in fallacies you've got there |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #48 |
182. How does that diminish it? We are, and have been for decades, outraged |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:30 PM Response to Reply #182 |
203. With incorrect numbers. With nothing else. "To show the (false) magnitude of the problem" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:26 PM Response to Reply #48 |
183. Thank you. (nt) |
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winyanstaz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:35 PM Response to Original message |
53. I agree, it is shameful |
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Thothmes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 06:48 PM Response to Original message |
55. Do you have a break down |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
58. Shit happens. Prison is supposed to be an unpleasant place where criminals are punished |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. You vacate justice when prisons become free-for-alls for abuse. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:16 AM Response to Reply #60 |
136. It is hard to have civil order when you concentrate a large number of criminals into a small area |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:07 AM Response to Reply #136 |
149. And our failure to deal effectively with violent crime in bad neighborhoods |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:20 AM Response to Reply #149 |
161. No one ever has total authority |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Dear God, think about what you just said. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:28 AM Response to Reply #65 |
123. Yep, a perfect example of how effective the authoritarian philosophies have become |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:20 AM Response to Reply #65 |
137. Oh course they are not sentenced to be raped. But like I said, shit happens |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. That's a face/palm statement right there. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:22 AM Response to Reply #71 |
138. If you beleive that it is so outrageous, why aren't we electing legislators who |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
209. Because the majority of people think just like you... |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #58 |
77. Incredibly stupid. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:23 AM Response to Reply #77 |
139. Smart people have a tendency to keep themselves out of trouble |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:17 AM Response to Reply #139 |
155. So I'm guessing you think that stupid people deserve to be raped? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:21 AM Response to Reply #155 |
162. I'm smart enough to not get myself arrested |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:29 AM Response to Reply #162 |
164. But apparently not smart enough to answer a very simple question. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:44 PM Response to Reply #58 |
78. So it's okay to feed little monsters (and the occasional innocent) |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:25 AM Response to Reply #78 |
140. What is the solution? Seperate the weaker inmates from the stronger ones? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:51 PM Response to Reply #140 |
238. For one, separate the violent inmates from the nonviolent ones |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:42 PM Response to Reply #58 |
88. And then they come after your ass... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:27 AM Response to Reply #88 |
141. If it were that unpleasant of an experience, they would keep out of trouble to aviod going back |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
93. you assume that ONLY criminals go to prison |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:28 AM Response to Reply #93 |
142. What is the solution? Closing down all prisons so as not to risk incarcerating an innocent? |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #142 |
196. How about affording all prisoners a basic amount of dignity to begin with? |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:13 PM Response to Reply #58 |
97. What the fuck is the matter with you? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:31 AM Response to Reply #97 |
143. Nothing is the matter with me. What is the matter with you? |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:49 AM Response to Reply #143 |
158. Not being overly sympathetic is one thing; accepting RAPE is another |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:23 AM Response to Reply #158 |
163. How less common is prison rape in Europe compared with the US? |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #158 |
226. You can't reason when someone has lost their sense of empathy in favor of authoritarianism. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:13 PM Response to Reply #143 |
211. Oh, something is definitely the matter with you. |
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Kingofalldems (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:53 AM Response to Reply #97 |
148. The person you are posting to declared Gov Siegelman guilty |
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Occulus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:06 AM Response to Reply #148 |
172. He also has a slap-in-the-face painting of a blue dog in his sig line. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:46 PM Response to Reply #58 |
102. Justice is NOT supposed to be an unpleasant place. Its house should |
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armyowalgreens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:22 AM Response to Reply #102 |
132. Many DUers believe that certain types of offenders should be burned at the stake... |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:33 AM Response to Reply #102 |
144. Slapping some one is assault. Committing such a crime could land you in jail |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:34 AM Response to Reply #144 |
178. Well, fortunately FEELING like slapping someone is not a crime. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:30 PM Response to Reply #144 |
221. The precedent for mercy is more persuasive than your |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
117. Others already addressed your comment |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:34 AM Response to Reply #117 |
145. Criminals will act the way they do whether they are on the streets or locked up |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:37 AM Response to Reply #58 |
126. So that means that we should just accept it? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:40 AM Response to Reply #126 |
146. Prison is also supposed to be a placw where people are punished |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:21 AM Response to Reply #146 |
151. So rape is an acceptable punishment? |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:49 AM Response to Reply #151 |
169. It is not a punishment. It is a natural consequence |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:50 PM Response to Reply #169 |
208. you, and your faithful companion there, are 'ailing' puppies..... |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:43 PM Response to Reply #169 |
230. You couldn't sound more like Rush if you tried. |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #146 |
254. What if they were killing each other? Would that be OK too? Shit happens, right? |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:25 AM Response to Reply #58 |
133. Make sure to remember that when you serve 90 days for a bag o weed |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #133 |
212. Rape or not, Freddie would last two seconds in jail. |
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Truth2Tell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:13 PM Response to Reply #212 |
217. Truest post in the thread. nt |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #58 |
184. That is a sick, inhumane, and ignorant thing to say. (nt) |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
206. On second thought, I'll simply relieve myself of ever having to |
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EmeraldCityGrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
63. Another American dirty little secret. |
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Swede Atlanta (906 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:38 PM Response to Original message |
66. Well....let's see |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 07:46 PM Response to Original message |
68. well if they didn't want to be raped in prison, they shouldn't have committed a crime |
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gmoney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
72. That's a great "law and order" attitude |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Maybe it would help if you |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #76 |
127. Don't know if you can help such people. They have swallowed the authoritarian kool aid |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
79. Disgusting. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
80. Depends on your definition of "crime." |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Huh? |
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Krakowiak (295 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:02 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Next time you get a speeding ticket..... |
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ProudDad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:45 PM Response to Reply #68 |
89. And if you don't want to be accused of saying stupid shit |
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datasuspect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 10:23 PM Response to Reply #68 |
94. You assume that everyone in prison has actually committed a crime |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:43 PM Response to Reply #68 |
101. Are you sure you're on the right board? |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:51 PM Response to Reply #68 |
103. So it would be just fine and dandy with you if anyone at all, |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:40 AM Response to Reply #68 |
115. And if he's given AIDS, then |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:42 AM Response to Reply #115 |
168. Or have smoked dope or had it on themselves for that matter. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:39 AM Response to Reply #68 |
128. Wow. |
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natrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:50 AM Response to Reply #68 |
147. yea until your son goes up for a small bag of coke,different then hu? |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:28 PM Response to Reply #68 |
185. Unbelievable. (nt) |
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EOTE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
200. If she didn't want to be raped, she shouldn't have been wearing that dress! |
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FormerDittoHead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
256. I'm practically doubling my ignore bin just with this thread... n/t |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:20 PM Response to Original message |
73. In nearly every maximum security prison |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 08:28 PM Response to Original message |
75. Deleted sub-thread |
humbled_opinion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:29 PM Response to Original message |
84. Seems that these facts are contrary.... |
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Papa Boule (363 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 09:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. Jury nullification would fix the problem. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #92 |
107. Prisons are Big Business now. Would that movement stand up to that power? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
96. Deleted sub-thread |
David Zephyr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-23-09 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
98. I think your point is weakened by comparing stats of rape against women or men. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #98 |
167. I just re-posted from another blog... I agree with your point. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:15 PM Response to Reply #167 |
207. if you're concerned about the issue |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:12 AM Response to Original message |
105. One of my patients was a young man who was raped |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:16 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Thank you for being a responsible, compassionate soul, NB |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:18 AM Response to Reply #106 |
108. I just did my job and frankly COLLEGE prepared me for that |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:20 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I know you were being professional and I thought of that. You got me. |
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flvegan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:23 AM Response to Original message |
110. This thread is, by some responses...telling. |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:26 AM Response to Original message |
113. I have worked with sexually abused boys (ages 6 to 12) in a group home. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:41 AM Response to Reply #113 |
116. Hugs, I dealt with an 8 year old as a medic |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:03 AM Response to Reply #116 |
119. Yeah, it was terrible. The abuse happened years ago to some of them. |
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Mimosa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:13 AM Response to Reply #113 |
122. Nobody should be raped n/t |
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1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:16 AM Response to Original message |
120. so,(summarizing all of the posts here), the weak are in danger of getting raped... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:31 AM Response to Original message |
124. Deleted message |
Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:43 AM Response to Original message |
129. It's used as a form of extra-judicial punishment and a crude deterrent. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:20 AM Response to Original message |
134. Deleted sub-thread |
reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
135. Another decent thread drowned in the bathtub. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:47 AM Response to Reply #135 |
157. No, It Really Wasn't |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Once again, you read meaning into the OP |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:25 PM Response to Reply #159 |
233. "Explaining it multiple times" doesn't make it true. Explaining away the truth doesn't work, either |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:14 PM Response to Reply #233 |
253. Nah, not really. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:04 AM Response to Reply #157 |
171. bingo (nt) |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 02:40 PM Response to Reply #171 |
234. bingo squared |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
154. And no one cares. In fact, folks joke about it. nt |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
156. According to what I have read, rape is a crime related to control |
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moggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:33 AM Response to Reply #156 |
177. A good starting point would be to learn from other countries |
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dugaresa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #177 |
181. the fear factor I was referring to was the idea of confinement |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
165. I agree the management of these companies should be held liable. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
166. your figures are FALSE |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:08 PM Response to Reply #166 |
187. understating the atrocity that is the sexual assault of women, widespread and pervasive and systemic |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #166 |
188. I figured that 90000 number was way too low. |
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BolivarianHero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
170. Sadly, not all 140,000 of these victims are pedophiles... |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #170 |
179. This post is an example of the problem. |
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Ariana Celeste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
173. Why can't both be wrong? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:37 PM Response to Reply #173 |
199. Both are wrong and so are the statistics |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
175. wardens and guards that allow it should be criminally prosecuted as accessories |
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YOY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 11:18 AM Response to Original message |
176. A lot of people here hate the movie "Let's go to Prison"...I don't think they've ever seen it. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
186. Are the prison rapes of women tallied as well? |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #186 |
193. No, I don't think so. I believe there is 'consensual rape' in prison (ie coerced rape) both F&M. nt |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:03 PM Response to Original message |
190. you really need to correct your statement by removing the per year..... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
191. National Review - quote - "Stop Prisoner Rape estimates that about 240,000 men get raped behind bars |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 03:41 PM Response to Reply #191 |
204. the man who was Eastern Regional Director |
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create.peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 04:04 PM Response to Reply #191 |
205. searched to find evidence of 240000, but even the supposed source doesn't have it! |
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WildEyedLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
192. Well this thread sure turned into a big Charlie Foxtrot |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #192 |
195. Oops. I never imagined.... nt |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #192 |
198. SNAFU |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:52 PM Response to Reply #192 |
222. Yep, our local censors decided it was not worthy-Arguing for the sake of argument-like repub talk |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:23 PM Response to Original message |
194. Deleted message |
chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 02:28 PM Response to Reply #194 |
197. True |
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rantormusing (210 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 05:51 PM Response to Original message |
210. Thanks for the post |
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Jairus (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
213. I'm the blogger who wrote the original post, and |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:43 PM Response to Reply #213 |
214. Several posters in the thread have checked the data. The numbers are not accurate. |
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Jairus (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:01 PM Response to Reply #214 |
216. If I had anticipated your derailing the discussion, I would have. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:14 PM Response to Reply #216 |
218. The attackers derailed the discussion, not I. Take responsibility for your own work |
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Jairus (3 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:19 PM Response to Reply #218 |
219. As far as I can tell, yours was the second reply. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #219 |
220. You do yourself a disservice for future work |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #213 |
215. Some of us got that. |
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Go2Peace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #213 |
223. I have come to the conclusion that IGNORED is after attention, not discussion |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #223 |
237. oh, I just have to guffaw in public here |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:46 PM Response to Reply #237 |
240. Don't guffaw on their huff, iverglas. How rude. They'll huff and they'll puff and they'll BLOW |
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reflection (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #213 |
224. Thank you for that thoughtful piece. |
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Toasterlad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #213 |
225. The Rational People Understood That. |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:22 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. Is it "rational" to accept flawed data as a given? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:25 PM Response to Reply #227 |
228. Deleted sub-thread |
iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:32 PM Response to Reply #213 |
235. I had wanted to direct you to a previous post of mine in this thread |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:17 PM Response to Reply #235 |
246. Well put. A teachable moment. |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:27 PM Response to Reply #235 |
251. Too Many Bloggers Have Information, With No Knowledge and No Wisdom |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #251 |
252. heh |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 08:26 PM Response to Reply #252 |
255. LOL |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:26 PM Response to Original message |
229. Deleted sub-thread |
marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-24-09 08:45 PM Response to Original message |
231. That would have made an interesting topic for my gender studies class |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #231 |
236. do please pass on the *actual* source |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #236 |
239. What would be far more interesting for a gender studies class... |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:49 PM Response to Reply #239 |
241. if you have something to say to/about omega minimo |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:53 PM Response to Reply #241 |
242. If you don't want replies... why do you post? |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #242 |
243. if you can explain how your post was a REPLY to mine |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:07 PM Response to Reply #243 |
245. "As I understand it, this discussion forum is for adults capable of coherent thought." |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:05 PM Response to Reply #239 |
244. Your callout matches the lack of interest in facts by those here with the mob mentality |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 06:32 PM Response to Reply #244 |
247. You know what? |
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omega minimo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:02 PM Response to Reply #247 |
248. You presume too much |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:16 PM Response to Reply #248 |
250. Which facts? That over 90,000 women are raped every year? |
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MadMaddie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jul-25-09 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
249. If the outside population is still not 100% behind preventing rape |
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