listen freeper morons--even if Obama was born in Kenya with a Kenya father, his mother

is American and confers American citizenship to her offspring, no matter where they are born.

Check the law, dimwits. And get out of our faces with the birth certificate crap. Even with
your worst case scenario, he is still an American. And a great one.

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so if he was born in Kenya outside of a US base he would not be eligible for the office of president.

but I guess I am the moron.

Thx for the corrxn

he is considered a natural born citizen, no matter where on this planet he was born.

US Immigration does not define it thoroughly either. The history of the attempt to define citizenship is closely tied to the history of civil rights, particularly for people of non-white descent.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_born_citizen_of_the_United_States

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This natural born citizen issue is not so clear cut. And arguably whether he was born in Hawaii or not isn't really the final or only factor. As raised previously, his mother's age at the time of delivery and how long she had lived continuously in the US plays into this. BUT, the certified copies, the news paper announcements, holding a legal passport, announcements by the Records Clerk in the Registrar's office in Hawaii...they all point to to a live birth in Hawaii. But it isn't really what birther want to recognize. It's not about the legality of Obama's birth place, it's the issue that there is a black man as POTUS and they don't like being under the 'rule' of someone they feel is inferior. Apparently Bush was their superior bwaaa haa aa aahhha aaha ahaaaaaa **gasping for air** baa haaha ahahh haaa haa haaaa.

but if he wasn't from what I understand he wouldn't be able to be president, contrary to what the OP said.

that it's laughable

Somebody should tell Arnold that.

I didn't realize that.

qualified to be the President because he was not born in the United States. I remember because back in the day I was forced to watch Regis and Kathy.. back when Kathy was on the show.. she was born to US parents, but in Paris.. so she said one day to Regis that she could never be President. That's when I asked and found out more about the issue. Apparently, you have to be born in the US.. which is why McCain running for Pres. was a bit of a stretch.. I guess though, he's so freaking old, that Panama, was actually US territory.. but does territory mean United States. In the future, could a person born in Puerto Rico become President? As of now, Ahnohld, could not, even though he's a citizen now.

I think that Kathy there may not have her facts right. She is a full citizen if both parents were citizens.

If this were true McCain would not have been eligible and no, folks Panama was never ever a US territory, OK.

Like me - he was born into a Military family abroad. Both parents were Americans. You get papers from the state dept (consulate papers) stating that you are basically a natural born American citizen. PM if you want me to dig mine out. Mine is signed by Warren Christopher. :-)

and was told that he could never be president.,. AS IF !!!

Actually there is still some major confusion over all of this.

This NY Times article goes into great depth

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html?_r=1

Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens “born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born.” But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the “natural-born” phrase.

May have to settle this one of these days.

Outside of the Canal Zone. That is one reason the US Congress passed a special bill to 'legitimize' McCain's status.

One definition of a natural born citizen is one that does not need any special actions to be considered a citizen. Obama has never had to be naturalized or have an act of Congress to get a passport, or to leave and re-enter the country, so I would guess the US government considered him a citizen long before he ran for office.

...just as insurance.

they're pretty good at it...

the US built the Panama Canal.. when the lease was up, we returned Panama back. kind of like the lease with Hong Kong (was it hong kong) and china/ Brittain. I beleive Panama was 99yr lease agreement.

they'd rather stick to their master's(radio talk show hosts/Fox News) propaganda. You know, trustworthy folks like Rush, and O'Reilly.:crazy:

natural born citizen for presidents? kind of a racist concept. No wonder the freepers like it.

There was a law in effect at the time that could come into play if he actually was not born on US soil.

It was a residency requirement for the US citizen parent, when only one parent was a citizen, that his mother may not have met due mostly to her age.

I know it is all stupid but the place of his birth may actually matter.

Before 1986, automatic citizenship to children born abroad was only awarded when both parents were U.S. citizens. Citizenship could be awarded to children born when one parent was a citizen, but it was much tougher to get.

When Obama was born, the law said that automatic citizenship was only conferred to foreign born babies if the mother or father was at least 21 and had lived in the U.S. since she/he was 16 (even for native born American citizens). Obama's mother was only 18 when he was born, so she wouldn't have qualified.

Yes, the law was stupid, which is why it was changed.

Even today, by the way, there are qualifiers to a child gaining citizenship when only one parent is a citizen. It's not always granted.

The argument of the birthers is that he didn't qualify for citizenship if his sole-American citizen parent gave birth to him in a foreign nation if she was only 18. Legally, they're correct in that argument.

Since he was born in HAWAII, the point is moot.

Of course the SCOTUS could interpret it differently, if they chose to, or perhaps the congress could re-define it.

You're not a natural born citizen?

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ON US SOIL.

And for the Donofrio argument, Chester Alan Arthur's mother was an American citizen, but his father was an IRishman and was not an American citizen when he was born, so that issue is settled, too.

They want us to take their lie as a premise to debated.

Even they don't believe this. It's just noise.